reboot loop

[Nena Hodges]

My Windows 98 is stuck in a reboot loop
It keeps rebooting at the Logo page
Any suggestions?
Thanks, email to

[Nena Hodges]

well it certainly doesn't do any good to disguise my
email!! I altered it on the form & it wouldn't send it, so
I figured it wouldn't show the one on the form. Guess I
should have omitted the parenthasis around the omitthis.
LOL!

>-----Original Message-----
>My Windows 98 is stuck in a reboot loop
>It keeps rebooting at the Logo page
>Any suggestions?
>Thanks, email to
>.
>

[Ron Badour]

I don't do email support and you really should not ask for it. When a
response is posted in the newsgroup, a lot of people are going to review it
and make sure that the answer is correct or at least that it will not do any
harm to your PC. When you get an email, no one can review it to ensure it
has good information. Finally, when you use a valid email address in a
public newsgroup, chances are you are going to get tons of spam and emails
with a virus attached.

What happens when you boot in safe mode? If it will boot, try the procedure
listed in this article to pinpoint what is causing the problem:

How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=192926

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Nena Hodges" > wrote in message
...
>
> well it certainly doesn't do any good to disguise my
> email!! I altered it on the form & it wouldn't send it, so
> I figured it wouldn't show the one on the form. Guess I
> should have omitted the parenthasis around the omitthis.
> LOL!
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >My Windows 98 is stuck in a reboot loop
> >It keeps rebooting at the Logo page
> >Any suggestions?
> >Thanks, email to
> >.
> >

[Brian A.]

"Nena Hodges" > wrote in message =
...
>=20
> well it certainly doesn't do any good to disguise my=20
> email!! I altered it on the form & it wouldn't send it, so=20
> I figured it wouldn't show the one on the form. Guess I=20
> should have omitted the parenthasis around the omitthis.
> LOL! =20

Correct. It also helps to add underscores where there is a space.

chillyomitthis
or chilly_omitthis

You can also change the ISP.

=20


--=20
Brian A.

Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.
>=20
> >-----Original Message-----
> >My Windows 98 is stuck in a reboot loop
> >It keeps rebooting at the Logo page
> >Any suggestions?
> >Thanks, email to

[Brian A.]

What if anything have you installed/uninstalled prior to this =
happening? What were you doing before your last shutdown? Did you get =
any error messages prior to the last shutdown?

Troubleshooting Windows 98 Startup Problems
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;EN-US;Q188867

How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;EN-US;Q192926

Also read "Clean Boot -- What it is and why you need it" by MS MVP Gary =
Terhune
. g=
bl

Don't think this will help but may give a clue:
Windows 95/98 Boots Directly to "Shut Down" Screen
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;EN-US;q141898

--=20
Brian A.

Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.


"Nena Hodges" > wrote in message =
...
> My Windows 98 is stuck in a reboot loop
> It keeps rebooting at the Logo page
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks, email to

[PCR]

Here are possible software causes. It can also be a virus. Does it
happen in Safe Mode? Does it happen in DOS? (Hold CTRL as you boot to
get the Startup Menu, or turn it on at "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced
button".)

http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB
Search "Restarts" & Search "Reboot" & Search "Reboots";
Windows 98; Title Only; produces...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=148919
(148919) - When you start your computer, Windows may restart
continuously

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;229126&Product=w98
Packard Bell Computer Restarts Continuously
(229126) - After you enable Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
(ACPI) support on a Packard Bell Multimedia 4350 computer, your computer
may restart continuously.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98
Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM
(304943) - If your computer has more than 1.5 gigabytes (GB) of memory
(RAM), the computer may reboot continuously when you try to start
Windows Millennium Edition (Me) or Windows 98. Or, when you try to
install Windows Me or Windows 98 with more than 1.5 GB of...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;130018&Product=w98
Computer Caught in Reboot Loop After Using DriveSpace
(130018) - When you are using DriveSpace to compress a drive, your
computer may become stuck in a reboot (or restart) loop. If you press
the F8 key when your computer restarts and then choose Command Prompt
Only, your computer enters the reboot loop again. If...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;222824&Product=w98
FIX: Windows 98: Reenumerating PCI Device Can Cause Reboot
(222824) - On a Windows 98 ACPI system, reenumerating a Peripheral
Component Interconnect (PCI) device may cause the system to crash. For
example, if a user employs Device Manager to remove a PCI device and
then refreshes, the system can unexpectedly reboot....

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132333&Product=w98
Toshiba 4500 Reboots After Resuming
(132333) - When you are using a Toshiba 4500 laptop computer, if you
shut down Windows in Suspend mode or close the lid, Windows appears to
shut down successfully. However, when you resume Windows, the computer
reboots after a short time.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132776&Product=w98
Computer Hangs or Reboots at Shutdown with NetWare Client
(132776) - With Novell NetWare Client version 4.10 (VLM.EXE) installed,
your computer stops responding (hangs) or restarts when you shut down
your computer.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Nena Hodges" > wrote in message
...
| My Windows 98 is stuck in a reboot loop
| It keeps rebooting at the Logo page
| Any suggestions?
| Thanks, email to

[sf]

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:22:58 -0400, "PCR"
> wrote:

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132776&Product=w98
> Computer Hangs or Reboots at Shutdown with NetWare Client
> (132776) - With Novell NetWare Client version 4.10 (VLM.EXE) installed,
> your computer stops responding (hangs) or restarts when you shut down
> your computer.


Thanks PCR! My computer hangs at shutdown (in restart mode)
AND I have Client for NetWare Networks, but I don't know why
I have it. Would I benefit from uninstalling it? We use a
wireless router but we don't fileshare.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[Brian A.]

Remove it if you are not going thru a Novell server on a network, which =
I would think your not.

--=20
Brian A.

Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.


"sf" > wrote in message =
...
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:22:58 -0400, "PCR"
> > wrote:
>=20
> > =
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;132776&Product=3D=
w98
> > Computer Hangs or Reboots at Shutdown with NetWare Client
> > (132776) - With Novell NetWare Client version 4.10 (VLM.EXE) =
installed,
> > your computer stops responding (hangs) or restarts when you shut =
down
> > your computer.
>=20
>=20
> Thanks PCR! My computer hangs at shutdown (in restart mode)
> AND I have Client for NetWare Networks, but I don't know why
> I have it. Would I benefit from uninstalling it? We use a
> wireless router but we don't fileshare.
>=20
>=20
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[glee]

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:22:58 -0400, "PCR"
> > wrote:
>
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132776&Product=w98
> > Computer Hangs or Reboots at Shutdown with NetWare Client
> > (132776) - With Novell NetWare Client version 4.10 (VLM.EXE) installed,
> > your computer stops responding (hangs) or restarts when you shut down
> > your computer.
>
>
> Thanks PCR! My computer hangs at shutdown (in restart mode)
> AND I have Client for NetWare Networks, but I don't know why
> I have it. Would I benefit from uninstalling it? We use a
> wireless router but we don't fileshare.

Hmmm...you told me in your *other* thread that you did not want to know ;-)
If you are not in a Novell Netware network...and I am sure you are not....there is
no reason to have the Client for Netware Networks installed.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[sf]

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:53:28 -0400, "glee"
> wrote:

> > Thanks PCR! My computer hangs at shutdown (in restart mode)
> > AND I have Client for NetWare Networks, but I don't know why
> > I have it. Would I benefit from uninstalling it? We use a
> > wireless router but we don't fileshare.
>
> Hmmm...you told me in your *other* thread that you did not want to know ;-)
> If you are not in a Novell Netware network...and I am sure you are not....there is
> no reason to have the Client for Netware Networks installed.

Hey, a woman can always change her mind buddy!
<w>
I just wanted to let sleeping dogs lie... but this thread
told me Novell may be the reason why my computer hangs on
reboot.... which is yet another problem I'm in the process
of figuring out.

First, I need to ask the girl child if Novell is necessary
on my computer for her to work at home (she uses her own
computer). Other than that, I can't think of any reason to
keep it.

<s>


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[PCR]

Wow! In all the eons I've been posting that one, no one ever found any
good in it till now. I must agree with Brian A. & Glee that you should
uninstall it, as I have no actual opinion of my own not knowing what the
thing is. I suppose it is uninstalled in "Control Panel, NetWork", &
I've been in there but would have to remember the details. I don't know
whether there is also an entry in Add/Remove Programs or anywhere else
for that.

It certainly is a starting point toward solving a reboot loop problem. I
hope it is also the end of it.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:22:58 -0400, "PCR"
| > wrote:
|
| >
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132776&Product=w98
| > Computer Hangs or Reboots at Shutdown with NetWare Client
| > (132776) - With Novell NetWare Client version 4.10 (VLM.EXE)
installed,
| > your computer stops responding (hangs) or restarts when you shut
down
| > your computer.
|
|
| Thanks PCR! My computer hangs at shutdown (in restart mode)
| AND I have Client for NetWare Networks, but I don't know why
| I have it. Would I benefit from uninstalling it? We use a
| wireless router but we don't fileshare.
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[Brian A.]

It's a Client component installed/removed in Network.

--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.


"PCR" > wrote in message =
...
> Wow! In all the eons I've been posting that one, no one ever found any
> good in it till now. I must agree with Brian A. & Glee that you should
> uninstall it, as I have no actual opinion of my own not knowing what =
the
> thing is. I suppose it is uninstalled in "Control Panel, NetWork", &
> I've been in there but would have to remember the details. I don't =
know
> whether there is also an entry in Add/Remove Programs or anywhere else
> for that.
>=20
> It certainly is a starting point toward solving a reboot loop problem. =
I
> hope it is also the end of it.
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> | On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:22:58 -0400, "PCR"
> | > wrote:
> |
> | >
> =
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;132776&Product=3D=
w98
> | > Computer Hangs or Reboots at Shutdown with NetWare Client
> | > (132776) - With Novell NetWare Client version 4.10 (VLM.EXE)
> installed,
> | > your computer stops responding (hangs) or restarts when you shut
> down
> | > your computer.
> |
> |
> | Thanks PCR! My computer hangs at shutdown (in restart mode)
> | AND I have Client for NetWare Networks, but I don't know why
> | I have it. Would I benefit from uninstalling it? We use a
> | wireless router but we don't fileshare.
> |
> |
> | Practice safe eating - always use condiments
>=20
>

[sf]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:09:29 -0500, "Brian A."
<GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:

> It's a Client component installed/removed in Network.

You're right. It's not listed in Add/Remove Programs, so
how do I remove it via Network?

TIA


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:14:37 -0400, "PCR"
> wrote:

> Wow! In all the eons I've been posting that one, no one ever found any
> good in it till now.

<BG>

That's why you read my posts! I keep you entertained with
my ineptness AND my unique ways of getting into trouble.

LOL
(groan)



Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[Hugh Candlin]

sf > wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:09:29 -0500, "Brian A."
> <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:
>
> > It's a Client component installed/removed in Network.
>
> You're right. It's not listed in Add/Remove Programs, so
> how do I remove it via Network?
>
Highlight it, then click the Remove button.

[sf]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:49:51 -0700, "Hugh Candlin"
> wrote:

>
> sf > wrote in message ...
> > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:09:29 -0500, "Brian A."
> > <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:
> >
> > > It's a Client component installed/removed in Network.
> >
> > You're right. It's not listed in Add/Remove Programs, so
> > how do I remove it via Network?
> >
> Highlight it, then click the Remove button.
>

That's simple enough! Sometimes it's not "brain surgery".
LOL


Well, my shutdown (always in reboot mode) still hung and I
had to goose it again. The interesting thing was the
program asking for internet access.... Is this true?
Should I grant it permanent server status?



Distributed COM Services wants to accept connections from
the Internet or your local network

ZoneAlarm is asking you whether to allow this program to act
as a server--that is, to accept connection requests from
other computers. No breach in your security has occurred.
Your computer is safe.

What should I do?

Give Distributed COM Services permission to act as a server.
See the Details tab to learn how to do this.

Why?

Distributed COM Services is a Windows application that
enables two programs to communicate with each other over a
network. It is safe to grant this program server permission.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[PCR]

Ah, ha, ha. I see Brian A. & Candlin have explained how to get rid of
Netware Client. It wasn't too tough in "Control Panel, Network". Let me
see whether I can find my final setup...

A. Configuration tab

Primary Network Logon: "Client for Microsoft Networks" is selected in
the dropdown menu.
File & Print Sharing button: Neither is checked.
These components are installed...
(1) Client for Microsoft Networks
Properties: Only "Logon & restore..." is bolted.
(2) Dial-Up Adapter
Properties:
(a) Driver Type tab: Only "Enhanced mode..." is bolted.
(b) Bindings tab: Only TCP/IP is present & checked.
(c) Advanced tab:
1. Enable Point To Point IP: Yes.
2. IP Packet Size: Large
3. Record a log file: No.
4. Use IPX header compression: No.
(3) TCP/IP
Properties:
Bindings tab: Only "Client for Microsoft Networks" is present &
checked.
Advanced tab: Allow Binding to ATM: No.
NetBIOS tab: "I want to enable..." is checked but shaded.
DNS Configuration tab: Disable DNS is bolted. Rest is blank.
Gateway tab: Looks blankish.
WINS Configuration tab: Only Disable WINS Resolution is bolted.
IP Address tab: Only "Obtain an IP address automatically" is
bolted.

(B) Identification tab

(1) Computer name: Computer.
(2) Workgroup: Workgroup.
(3) Computer Description: Unknown User.

(C) Access Control tab
Only "Share level access control" is bolted.

I thought I knew what I was doing at the time I set it up like that. I
trust I was just about right.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:14:37 -0400, "PCR"
| > wrote:
|
| > Wow! In all the eons I've been posting that one, no one ever found
any
| > good in it till now.
|
| <BG>
|
| That's why you read my posts! I keep you entertained with
| my ineptness AND my unique ways of getting into trouble.
|
| LOL
| (groan)
|
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[glee]

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:49:51 -0700, "Hugh Candlin"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > sf > wrote in message
...
> > > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:09:29 -0500, "Brian A."
> > > <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's a Client component installed/removed in Network.
> > >
> > > You're right. It's not listed in Add/Remove Programs, so
> > > how do I remove it via Network?
> > >
> > Highlight it, then click the Remove button.
> >
>
> That's simple enough! Sometimes it's not "brain surgery".
> LOL
>
>
> Well, my shutdown (always in reboot mode) still hung and I
> had to goose it again. The interesting thing was the
> program asking for internet access.... Is this true?
> Should I grant it permanent server status?
>
>
>
> Distributed COM Services wants to accept connections from
> the Internet or your local network
>
> ZoneAlarm is asking you whether to allow this program to act
> as a server--that is, to accept connection requests from
> other computers. No breach in your security has occurred.
> Your computer is safe.
>
> What should I do?
>
> Give Distributed COM Services permission to act as a server.
> See the Details tab to learn how to do this.
>
> Why?
>
> Distributed COM Services is a Windows application that
> enables two programs to communicate with each other over a
> network. It is safe to grant this program server permission.

Is the computer on a home network?

Actually, the best place to get an answer to this sort of question is here:
http://forums.zonelabs.com/zonelabs/board?board.id=gen
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[sf]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:06:12 -0400, "glee"
> wrote:

> Is the computer on a home network?

I don't know what you'd call it. We use a wireless rounter
so that 4 computers can share one IP, but we don't file
share.



Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

Thanks a million, buddy! I had a lot of changes to make to
make settings conform with yours.... however, I didn't
change the identification tab. I have my Dell service tag
number there and Computer description is "Preferred
Customer"... I think it speeds things up if I need to
contact Dell.

My computer seems peculiar. I have to make changes two or
three times for them to stick, but the settings seem to have
finally taken.
```````````````

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:50:00 -0400, "PCR"
> wrote:


> (3) TCP/IP

Which tcp/ip did you mean? I have 3 of them:
1. Dial-up
2. Cable modem
3. USB Ethernet Adapter

So I changed them all.

> Properties:
> Bindings tab: Only "Client for Microsoft Networks" is present &
> checked.
> Advanced tab: Allow Binding to ATM: No.
> NetBIOS tab: "I want to enable..." is checked but shaded.
> DNS Configuration tab: Disable DNS is bolted. Rest is blank.
> Gateway tab: Looks blankish.
> WINS Configuration tab: Only Disable WINS Resolution is bolted.
> IP Address tab: Only "Obtain an IP address automatically" is
> bolted.
>
> (B) Identification tab
>
> (1) Computer name: Computer.
> (2) Workgroup: Workgroup.
> (3) Computer Description: Unknown User.
>
> (C) Access Control tab
> Only "Share level access control" is bolted.
>
> I thought I knew what I was doing at the time I set it up like that. I
> trust I was just about right.

I certainly hope so...

:)


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[PCR]

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| Thanks a million, buddy! I had a lot of changes to make to
| make settings conform with yours....

I hope those settings serve you well. It did take me quite a while
before I ever made a change in there, fearful my NET connection would
blow. But finally I did remove "Family Logon" & pared down the Bindings.
Also, I altered things in the Advanced tab.

| however, I didn't
| change the identification tab. I have my Dell service tag
| number there and Computer description is "Preferred
| Customer"... I think it speeds things up if I need to
| contact Dell.

Uhhh, are you actually on a Network? That would be beyond my experience,
& I shouldn't have jumped into this thread.

|
| My computer seems peculiar. I have to make changes two or
| three times for them to stick, but the settings seem to have
| finally taken.
| ```````````````

Uhuh, ???. (I've experienced that elsewhere-- Display Adapter settings.)

| > (3) TCP/IP
|
| Which tcp/ip did you mean? I have 3 of them:
| 1. Dial-up
| 2. Cable modem
| 3. USB Ethernet Adapter

Well... I think... you need the one(s) that you are. I am only Dial-up.
I don't know what drew me into this thread. I guess I'm in over my head,
& these settings are not necessarily the same for all.

|
| So I changed them all.

Yikes.

|
| > Properties:
| > Bindings tab: Only "Client for Microsoft Networks" is
present &
| > checked.
| > Advanced tab: Allow Binding to ATM: No.
| > NetBIOS tab: "I want to enable..." is checked but shaded.
| > DNS Configuration tab: Disable DNS is bolted. Rest is blank.
| > Gateway tab: Looks blankish.
| > WINS Configuration tab: Only Disable WINS Resolution is
bolted.
| > IP Address tab: Only "Obtain an IP address automatically" is
| > bolted.
| >
| > (B) Identification tab
| >
| > (1) Computer name: Computer.
| > (2) Workgroup: Workgroup.
| > (3) Computer Description: Unknown User.
| >
| > (C) Access Control tab
| > Only "Share level access control" is bolted.
| >
| > I thought I knew what I was doing at the time I set it up like
that. I
| > trust I was just about right.
|
| I certainly hope so...

I'm afraid I must change my opinion. Let us hope someone more
knowledgeable is watching. Glee, Badour, Brian A.-- HELP!

|
| :)
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

[Brian A.]

All in all it's considered a Network, 2 or more machines connected in =
any of several ways for whatever purpose.

--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.


"sf" > wrote in message =
...
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:06:12 -0400, "glee"
> > wrote:
>=20
> > Is the computer on a home network?
>=20
> I don't know what you'd call it. We use a wireless rounter
> so that 4 computers can share one IP, but we don't file
> share.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:02:39 -0400, "PCR"
> wrote:

> I'm afraid I must change my opinion. Let us hope someone more
> knowledgeable is watching. Glee, Badour, Brian A.-- HELP!
>
you bet - HAAAAALP! Just give me the correct settings.

I get confilicting information from different people in this
household. One tells me I'm plugged into the router, the
other tells me I'm only plugged into the modem via USB
ethernet adapter. So, I think the final word is that I'm
not on the router, but everyone else is. If I had a NIC
card, I would be on the router too - but I don't have a
laptop, so it's not imparative to do that 'cause I'm not
moving around.

:)

Are you as confused as I am right now?


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[PCR]

| Are you as confused as I am right now?

Yep. Best I can say is those settings depend on... whether you are
Dial-up, Cable Modem, or USB Ethernet Adapter. Also, I guess it's
possible to be more than one. Then, it depends which you intend to use.

Therefore, as we have come to be great friends, I'd much prefer it to be
Glee or Brian A. to blow you up, rather than me.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:02:39 -0400, "PCR"
| > wrote:
|
| > I'm afraid I must change my opinion. Let us hope someone more
| > knowledgeable is watching. Glee, Badour, Brian A.-- HELP!
| >
| you bet - HAAAAALP! Just give me the correct settings.
|
| I get confilicting information from different people in this
| household. One tells me I'm plugged into the router, the
| other tells me I'm only plugged into the modem via USB
| ethernet adapter. So, I think the final word is that I'm
| not on the router, but everyone else is. If I had a NIC
| card, I would be on the router too - but I don't have a
| laptop, so it's not imparative to do that 'cause I'm not
| moving around.
|
| :)
|
| Are you as confused as I am right now?
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[Brian A.]

"sf" > wrote in message =
...
<snip>
> I get confilicting information from different people in this
> household. One tells me I'm plugged into the router, the
> other tells me I'm only plugged into the modem via USB
> ethernet adapter.

Please detail exactly how your machine is connected from the wall to =
the machine.=20

> So, I think the final word is that I'm
> not on the router, but everyone else is. If I had a NIC
> card, I would be on the router too - but I don't have a
> laptop, so it's not imparative to do that 'cause I'm not
> moving around.

You don't have to have a laptop to install a NIC. The NIC is used for =
what its name suggests: Network Interface Card. It can be installed in =
any machine.

> Are you as confused as I am right now?
=20
At the moment ,Yes!



--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.

[sf]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:19:16 -0400, "PCR"
> wrote:

> Therefore, as we have come to be great friends, I'd much prefer it to be
> Glee or Brian A. to blow you up, rather than me.

LOL!


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[glee]

Echoing Brian, detail your physical connection.

You can "draw pictures" like this:

<computer usb port> ===> <cable modem> ===> <wall cable socket>
or whatever.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:02:39 -0400, "PCR"
> > wrote:
>
> > I'm afraid I must change my opinion. Let us hope someone more
> > knowledgeable is watching. Glee, Badour, Brian A.-- HELP!
> >
> you bet - HAAAAALP! Just give me the correct settings.
>
> I get confilicting information from different people in this
> household. One tells me I'm plugged into the router, the
> other tells me I'm only plugged into the modem via USB
> ethernet adapter. So, I think the final word is that I'm
> not on the router, but everyone else is. If I had a NIC
> card, I would be on the router too - but I don't have a
> laptop, so it's not imparative to do that 'cause I'm not
> moving around.
>
> :)
>
> Are you as confused as I am right now?
>
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:12:04 -0400, "glee"
> wrote:

> Echoing Brian, detail your physical connection.
>
> You can "draw pictures" like this:
>
> <computer usb port> ===> <cable modem> ===> <wall cable socket>
> or whatever.
> --

You have absolutely no idea how many wires are behind my
computer. This is not an easy task!

As far as I can tell it's

cable line to cable modem
modem to router
router to computer USB port

I will have someone else double check that later.

TIA



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[Hugh Candlin]

sf > wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:12:04 -0400, "glee"
> > wrote:
>
> > Echoing Brian, detail your physical connection.
> >
> > You can "draw pictures" like this:
> >
> > <computer usb port> ===> <cable modem> ===> <wall cable socket>
> > or whatever.
> > --
>
> You have absolutely no idea how many wires are behind my
> computer.

I'll bet any amount of money that he does.
We all have that scenario, whether it is behind our computers
or behind our home theatre equipment.

There is even a special name for it "Spaghetti Junction".

> This is not an easy task!

We know. Neither is what we do.

[Label the wires at each end BEFORE you install them].
>
> As far as I can tell it's
>
> cable line to cable modem
> modem to router
> router to computer USB port
>
> I will have someone else double check that later.

LOL

[PCR]

OK. I see you have begun to enlighten them as to your connections.
Naturally, they assume full responsibility should you get strangled by a
wire back there or place your knee upon a real mouse. OK, bye, & I am
your witness.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:19:16 -0400, "PCR"
| > wrote:
|
| > Therefore, as we have come to be great friends, I'd much prefer it
to be
| > Glee or Brian A. to blow you up, rather than me.
|
| LOL!
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:04:18 -0700, "Hugh Candlin"
> wrote:

> There is even a special name for it "Spaghetti Junction".


Heh! It's a jungle back there!


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[Brian A.]

"sf" > wrote in message =
...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:12:04 -0400, "glee"
> > wrote:
<snip>
> You have absolutely no idea how many wires are behind my
> computer. This is not an easy task!

Bet any one of us could guess within +/- 2 depending on ISA/PCI slots =
and other normal connections on the back of the machine. As it is with =
my setup there are over 30.

>=20
> As far as I can tell it's
>=20
> cable line to cable modem
> modem to router
> router to computer USB port

You also keep mentioning a wireless router. What is the make/model? You =
also mention here that you have cable/cable modem. Why don't you have a =
NIC? Install a NIC.
What is the USB port for that you're "connected" to? Is it physically =
attached by CAT5 or 6 cable or is it a wireless device to/from the =
router/machine?
How far away is the router from your machine?
Are there any possible obstructions such as walls/floors with =
conduit/air ducts running thru them?

BTW, if you are true cable and not dialup, I wouldn't suggest changing =
anything to match PCR's dialup without a network.


--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[Gary S. Terhune]

I'm willing to bet mine beats all, <g>.

Two or three computers (depending on the day), two color laser printers with
network connections using a switch, one inkjet (USB) , a DSL modem connected to
router to which everyone else in the house is connected via Ethernet... two
500watt power supplies, three additional surge protectors, all outlets used...
Two external hard drives, one external DVD burner, aUSB2 scanner, two computer
sound systems, two telephones, both with two lines each... And, probably, at
least five cables coming from and going to absolutely nowhere.

All within three feet of my chair. And that's just the stuff that is actually in
service. Doesn't count the pile of junk behind me. Less than one year since I
moved into this room.

Good thing I'm moving to a new house next month--give me a chance to start all
over, <bg>. I think we're going wireless, though. That'll cut down on some of
it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:04:18 -0700, "Hugh Candlin"
> > wrote:
>
> > There is even a special name for it "Spaghetti Junction".
>
>
> Heh! It's a jungle back there!
>
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[PCR]

"Brian A." <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote in message
...
....snip
BTW, if you are true cable and not dialup, I wouldn't suggest changing
anything to match PCR's dialup without a network.

--
Brian A.

PCR: That's what I was afraid of. OK, thanks.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

[PA Bear]

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
<snip>
> Good thing I'm moving to a new house next month--give me a chance to
> start all over, <bg>

Oh, jeez! If you need a hand with the move...

........


........


........

........

....I'm working that day.

[sf]

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:53:06 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> wrote:

> Good thing I'm moving to a new house next month--give me a chance to start all
> over, <bg>. I think we're going wireless, though. That'll cut down on some of
> it.

Is it a big move or in the same area?



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[Hugh Candlin]

sf > wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:53:06 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > wrote:
>
> > Good thing I'm moving to a new house next month--give me a chance to start all
> > over, <bg>. I think we're going wireless, though. That'll cut down on some of
> > it.
>
> Is it a big move or in the same area?

Yes, and yes.

He's moving closer to the bank,
now that the checks are rolling in.

[PCR]

And I'm sure sf will double that!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
| "Brian A." <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote in message
| ...
| ...snip
| BTW, if you are true cable and not dialup, I wouldn't suggest
changing
| anything to match PCR's dialup without a network.
|
| --
| Brian A.
|
| PCR: That's what I was afraid of. OK, thanks.
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
|
|

[sf]

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:36:54 -0500, "Brian A."
<GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:

> You also keep mentioning a wireless router. What is the make/model?

Netgear. I think they only have two models - wire and
wireless.
> You =
> also mention here that you have cable/cable modem. Why don't you have a =
> NIC?

Because my computer is 5 or 6 years old and I never
considered being on a router before this summer.

> Install a NIC.

I will eventually.

> What is the USB port for that you're "connected" to?

I have absolutely no idea, USB is USB to me.

> Is it physically =
> attached by CAT5 or 6 cable or is it a wireless device to/from the =
> router/machine?

It's a physical connection, I don't know what the wiring is,
but it's approved by the cable company.

> How far away is the router from your machine?

less than 3 feet.

> Are there any possible obstructions such as walls/floors with =
> conduit/air ducts running thru them?
>
No.

> BTW, if you are true cable and not dialup,

It's cable. The modem is a Toshiba pcx2000.

> I wouldn't suggest changing =
> anything to match PCR's dialup without a network.
>
Huh? I'm getting mixed messages here.

:)



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[sf]

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:08:33 -0400, "PCR"
> wrote:

> BTW, if you are true cable and not dialup, I wouldn't suggest changing
> anything to match PCR's dialup without a network.
>
> --
> Brian A.
>
> PCR: That's what I was afraid of. OK, thanks.

You UNDERSTOOD what he said?


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[PCR]

Near as I can tell he was counting wires & taking measurements. Better
ask him to repeat/clarify it, before he hogties himself!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:08:33 -0400, "PCR"
| > wrote:
|
| > BTW, if you are true cable and not dialup, I wouldn't suggest
changing
| > anything to match PCR's dialup without a network.
| >
| > --
| > Brian A.
| >
| > PCR: That's what I was afraid of. OK, thanks.
|
| You UNDERSTOOD what he said?
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[Gary S. Terhune]

LOL!!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Hugh Candlin" > wrote in message
...
>
> > Is it a big move or in the same area?
>
> Yes, and yes.
>
> He's moving closer to the bank,
> now that the checks are rolling in.
>
>

[Gary S. Terhune]

Moving west, all the way across town--5 blocks, same street. We'll do the move
ourselves using my Dad's flatbed trailer (Mom and Dad live another half-mile
beyond our new place.)

Still, it's an old (1930) 2147 sq. ft., 5-bed, two story house, and will require
complete electrical upgrade and all new carpets, painting, fencing (for dogs)
and many other more minor repairs, mostly done by ourselves with some hired
casual labor (except the carpet layers and fencers will be pros.) All done as
quickly as possible. As soon as the move is done, we have to perform pretty much
the same operations (except electrical upgrade) on our current house, then sell
it ASAP.

There's a detached two-car garage at the new place that we'll use for storing
our publications and other miscellany (currently being stored in commercial
units), with a one-bed apartment above it that we'll rent to an industrious
young couple we already consider family. We'll also have room for our 28' travel
trailer that is also currently in commercial storage. And that new house will be
*full* when we finish moving--while one daughter will be back at college,
another is moving in, the one who was born and raised in Venezuela and spent the
last five years in France. She arrives August 14, about the same time everything
starts to happen in earnest.

In the meantime, we have two publications going to press in October, one of
which is for a new territory--which means *all* new advertising and the graphics
work that goes with it, plus several new maps. Gonna be doing some fancy
steppin' to get through it all. Fortunately, all I have to do, personally, is to
keep the production on schedule and deal with the more technical aspects--IT
infrastructure, electrical upgrade, various other similar jobs. Interior
decorating, packing, moving, etc., will be left to Linda and crew. Oh, and my
other job will be to make sure everyone stays well fed and healthy--oddly
enough, I'm the only one in the family who remembers such things, <s>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:53:06 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > wrote:
>
> > Good thing I'm moving to a new house next month--give me a chance to start
all
> > over, <bg>. I think we're going wireless, though. That'll cut down on some
of
> > it.
>
> Is it a big move or in the same area?
>
>
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:36:01 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> wrote:

> Moving west, all the way across town--5 blocks, same street. We'll do the move
> ourselves using my Dad's flatbed trailer (Mom and Dad live another half-mile
> beyond our new place.)
>
> Still, it's an old (1930) 2147 sq. ft., 5-bed, two story house, and will require
> complete electrical upgrade and all new carpets, painting, fencing (for dogs)
> and many other more minor repairs, mostly done by ourselves with some hired
> casual labor (except the carpet layers and fencers will be pros.) All done as
> quickly as possible. As soon as the move is done, we have to perform pretty much
> the same operations (except electrical upgrade) on our current house, then sell
> it ASAP.

Old houses are the best! They have a lot of character...
unfortunately they can also be money pits. Ofter, you're
opening a can of worms when you want to do just that one
"little" thing.
>
> There's a detached two-car garage at the new place that we'll use for storing
> our publications and other miscellany (currently being stored in commercial
> units), with a one-bed apartment above it that we'll rent to an industrious
> young couple we already consider family. We'll also have room for our 28' travel
> trailer that is also currently in commercial storage. And that new house will be
> *full* when we finish moving--while one daughter will be back at college,
> another is moving in, the one who was born and raised in Venezuela and spent the
> last five years in France. She arrives August 14, about the same time everything
> starts to happen in earnest.
>
My family is back home too. It certainly validates having a
big house!

> In the meantime, we have two publications going to press in October,

So you're an "author" - I didn't know! Of course, you could
be a publisher.

> one of
> which is for a new territory--which means *all* new advertising and the graphics
> work that goes with it, plus several new maps. Gonna be doing some fancy
> steppin' to get through it all.

Do you advertise in business publications?

> Fortunately, all I have to do, personally, is to
> keep the production on schedule and deal with the more technical aspects--IT
> infrastructure, electrical upgrade, various other similar jobs. Interior
> decorating, packing, moving, etc., will be left to Linda and crew.

Aha, you have your separate niches.

> Oh, and my
> other job will be to make sure everyone stays well fed and healthy--oddly
> enough, I'm the only one in the family who remembers such things, <s>.

I take it your wife is the creative genius in your family
<ducking>
and girl child will be pulling her own weight soon enough...

:)


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:51:13 -0400, "PCR"
> wrote:

> Near as I can tell he was counting wires & taking measurements. Better
> ask him to repeat/clarify it, before he hogties himself!

I understood everything up to the very last... then I got
confused.

I finally understood that he meant you have dial up and you
don't have a network - I assume the network part will change
after you move into your new digs.

In any case, I'm okay with the changes - so far... don't
know why though. Dumb luck?


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[Brian A.]

"sf" > wrote in message =
...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:36:54 -0500, "Brian A."
> <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:
>=20
> > You also keep mentioning a wireless router. What is the make/model? =

>=20
> Netgear. I think they only have two models - wire and
> wireless.

No, that would be the different types. I use a Netgear (make) RO318 =
(model) for my network.
What model is it?

> > You =3D
> > also mention here that you have cable/cable modem. Why don't you =
have a =3D
> > NIC?=20
>=20
> Because my computer is 5 or 6 years old and I never
> considered being on a router before this summer.
>=20
> > Install a NIC.
>=20
> I will eventually.

They're cheap at around $15-$25 US.
>=20
> > What is the USB port for that you're "connected" to?=20
>=20
> I have absolutely no idea, USB is USB to me.

Ok.

>=20
> > Is it physically =3D
> > attached by CAT5 or 6 cable or is it a wireless device to/from the =
=3D
> > router/machine?
>=20
> It's a physical connection, I don't know what the wiring is,
> but it's approved by the cable company.

Ok, the "cable" was provided by the cable company and runs from the =
wall to the modem. Another "cable, in reality wire" provided by them =
would run from the modem to a NIC if it was true cable, not DSL, ISDN or =
any of the others. If you do not have true cable, then you do not need a =
NIC.

> > How far away is the router from your machine?
> less than 3 feet.
> > Are there any possible obstructions such as walls/floors with =3D
> > conduit/air ducts running thru them?
> No.
> > BTW, if you are true cable and not dialup,=20
> It's cable. The modem is a Toshiba pcx2000.

Forget the above. You have true cable and for what I can tell form a =
quick check on the modem it can be connected via USB or Ethernet. I =
presume that's the USB you mention.

> > I wouldn't suggest changing =3D
> > anything to match PCR's dialup without a network.
> >=20
> Huh? I'm getting mixed messages here.

I see you understood.

Are you getting to the ng's from the machine in question now? If so, =
then it is working properly, correct? Then the network is not an issue, =
correct?

--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[Gary S. Terhune]

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:36:01 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > wrote:
>
> Old houses are the best! They have a lot of character...
> unfortunately they can also be money pits. Ofter, you're
> opening a can of worms when you want to do just that one
> "little" thing.

Fortunately, both Linda and I are familiar with the process. Her ex is an
architect, and she did their old house in Whitehorse--taking what was
essentially a cabin and turning it into a Victorian-styled cedar log home that
was four times larger, and doing it in a style that made it the best known and
ritziest little B&B in the Yukon. Myself, I grew up in houses under
construction, new and remodeled, and have done various stints in all types of
construction. I won't even try to go into all the talent we have to draw upon
within our larger family, <s>.

> My family is back home too. It certainly validates having a
> big house!

Yup! We figure we're not likely to ever feel like there's too much empty space,
<s>.

>
> > In the meantime, we have two publications going to press in October,
>
> So you're an "author" - I didn't know! Of course, you could
> be a publisher.
>
> > one of
> > which is for a new territory--which means *all* new advertising and the
graphics
> > work that goes with it, plus several new maps. Gonna be doing some fancy
> > steppin' to get through it all.
>
> Do you advertise in business publications?

We publish small (8.5 x 5.5), full-color glossy, annual business directories.
"Guides to Local Services and Attractions". So far three in circulation, adding
a fourth right now, to be six or seven by end of next year. Not full "telephone"
directories--only paid advertisers are listed. Advertising supported, freely
distributed in business locations (the same businesses that advertise with us),
Chambers of Commerce, Visitor Bureaus around the state, similar locales. Also
used for recruiting, conventions, etc. I'll be putting them online as soon as I
can find the time. From one 32-page edition three years ago, with an actual
distribution of ~40K, we're up to 48 to 64 pages and 75K distribution for each.
Figure they'll max out at 72 to 98 pages each, 100K distribution. (Or, God help
me, more!) Not likely to get beyond about a dozen editions, though. The region
we cover is rural mountain, the Sierra Nevada from north of Lake
Tahoe/Interstate 80, eventually to the Oregon border. (We actually live 100
miles north of Tahoe.) We've a couple of salesmen in addition to Linda, but I'm
at the point where I need serious help with the production. Hoping Becky will be
interested.

In addition to ads and listings, we have interesting short histories, various
vignettes of interest to tourists, many photos, a Calendar of Events, and
several pages of detailed street maps that I make myself. They've turned out to
be quite popular, and I take particular pride in the fact that most emergency
response vehicles in our region have a few dog-eared copies on the dashboard. If
you want some samples, just email me.

>
> > Fortunately, all I have to do, personally, is to
> > keep the production on schedule and deal with the more technical
aspects--IT
> > infrastructure, electrical upgrade, various other similar jobs. Interior
> > decorating, packing, moving, etc., will be left to Linda and crew.
>
> Aha, you have your separate niches.
>
> > Oh, and my
> > other job will be to make sure everyone stays well fed and healthy--oddly
> > enough, I'm the only one in the family who remembers such things, <s>.
>
> I take it your wife is the creative genius in your family
> <ducking>
> and girl child will be pulling her own weight soon enough...

Hey! I'm quite creative, too. It's just that she's more opinionated in these
things, <g>. Our dynamic is usually one where she decides what she wants, and I
figure out how to do it and make it happen (except for the money--that's her
department.) It's just that in this case, most of the painting and carpeting,
fencing, etc., will be done by hired help. I don't have the time, and my health
ain't all that it used to be, neither.

As for the girls (two will remain home, one at college), if *any* of them start
"pulling" anything like "their own weight" (other than for pay), I'm likely to
keel over and die just from the shock of it! Still, I'll keep trying, <s>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

[PCR]

MY new digs? Has Terhune said I am invited into his new home? Anyhow,
more & more I think Brian A. may know this Network topic. Anyhow, there
are many in this thread looking over his shoulder. I have given you my
settings, but they may be inappropriate for you.

Although you seem to be running well, I say pursue it with Brian A. to
get it just right in "Control Panel, Network". I a matter of
establishing just what your connection to the NET is. Also, Bindings are
important. But stick with it.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:51:13 -0400, "PCR"
| > wrote:
|
| > Near as I can tell he was counting wires & taking measurements.
Better
| > ask him to repeat/clarify it, before he hogties himself!
|
| I understood everything up to the very last... then I got
| confused.
|
| I finally understood that he meant you have dial up and you
| don't have a network - I assume the network part will change
| after you move into your new digs.
|
| In any case, I'm okay with the changes - so far... don't
| know why though. Dumb luck?
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:16:26 -0400, "PCR"
> wrote:

> MY new digs? Has Terhune said I am invited into his new home?

How the H*ll did I decide it was you??? I dunno. Sorry.

> Anyhow,
> more & more I think Brian A. may know this Network topic. Anyhow, there
> are many in this thread looking over his shoulder. I have given you my
> settings, but they may be inappropriate for you.
>
As you can see, I'm not crippled... so they were benign
changes. If someone else (that we both know) comes up with
a viable alternative - I'll go with it.

> Although you seem to be running well, I say pursue it with Brian A. to
> get it just right in "Control Panel, Network".

Brian? What say you?

;)

> I a matter of
> establishing just what your connection to the NET is. Also, Bindings are
> important. But stick with it.

BINDINGS??????? You're always throwing new terminology at
me. Whazzat?



Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[PCR]

I can hardly recall what I did with Bindings. (They may have
automatically adjusted when I removed NetBIOS or Microsoft Family or
something.) Chauvin is the expert on that. Anyway, we already know my
settings are not precisely right for you. Once someone gets your
settings right, we may consider the Bindings. They should be limited for
your own protection!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:16:26 -0400, "PCR"
| > wrote:
|
| > MY new digs? Has Terhune said I am invited into his new home?
|
| How the H*ll did I decide it was you??? I dunno. Sorry.
|
| > Anyhow,
| > more & more I think Brian A. may know this Network topic. Anyhow,
there
| > are many in this thread looking over his shoulder. I have given you
my
| > settings, but they may be inappropriate for you.
| >
| As you can see, I'm not crippled... so they were benign
| changes. If someone else (that we both know) comes up with
| a viable alternative - I'll go with it.
|
| > Although you seem to be running well, I say pursue it with Brian A.
to
| > get it just right in "Control Panel, Network".
|
| Brian? What say you?
|
| ;)
|
| > I a matter of
| > establishing just what your connection to the NET is. Also,
Bindings are
| > important. But stick with it.
|
| BINDINGS??????? You're always throwing new terminology at
| me. Whazzat?
|
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[Brian A.]

"sf" > wrote in message =
...

> Brian? What say you?

Make/model of the router please as asked before. See my last response =
to you.

Had I checked the header earlier I would have seen you use the same ISP =
as I do. I'll gather up screen shots of what I have set and post a link =
where you can browse thru them at your leisure.
=20
> > I a matter of
> > establishing just what your connection to the NET is. Also, =
Bindings are
> > important. But stick with it.
>=20
> BINDINGS??????? You're always throwing new terminology at
> me. Whazzat?

Binding TCP/IP for the WAN is needed if you want internet access. =
Binding TCP/IP for the LAN side is a no-no for security purposes.

--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[sf]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:31:22 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> wrote:

> From one 32-page edition three years ago, with an actual
> distribution of ~40K, we're up to 48 to 64 pages and 75K distribution for each.
> Figure they'll max out at 72 to 98 pages each, 100K distribution. (Or, God help
> me, more!) Not likely to get beyond about a dozen editions, though. The region
> we cover is rural mountain, the Sierra Nevada from north of Lake
> Tahoe/Interstate 80, eventually to the Oregon border. (We actually live 100
> miles north of Tahoe.) We've a couple of salesmen in addition to Linda, but I'm
> at the point where I need serious help with the production. Hoping Becky will be
> interested.

My grandfather was a small business publisher too. I don't
know how many magazines he produced, but his niche was a
thorn in McGraw Hill's side at the time. He also did quite
a bit of business with one of the biggest advertising
agencies of the era (BBD&O). It was tough going, but he was
tenacious and ended up with what many would not just
consider a very comfortable family life... it was almost
ideal.

It's not easy being a small businessman, but you can do it.

Good Luck!



Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:07:57 -0500, "Brian A."
<GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message ...
> > On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:36:54 -0500, "Brian A."
> > <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:
> >
> > > You also keep mentioning a wireless router. What is the make/model?
> >
> > Netgear. I think they only have two models - wire and
> > wireless.
>
> No, that would be the different types. I use a Netgear (make) RO318 (model) for my network.
> What model is it?

Netgrear WGR614v4
>
> > > You =
> > > also mention here that you have cable/cable modem. Why don't you have a =
> > > NIC?
> >
> > Because my computer is 5 or 6 years old and I never
> > considered being on a router before this summer.
> >
> > > Install a NIC.
> >
> > I will eventually.
>
> They're cheap at around $15-$25 US.
> >
>
I know... but I wouldn't do it myself, so I have to take it
to the computer guy - which means dealing with that jungle
again. He was in the middle of moving locations when I was
jazzed up to get the NIC and networking was only a gleam in
my daughter's eye. Now, everything is connected and it's
even more daunting back there.

> > > What is the USB port for that you're "connected" to?
> >
> > I have absolutely no idea, USB is USB to me.
>
> Ok.
>
> > It's cable. The modem is a Toshiba pcx2000.
>
> Forget the above. You have true cable and for what I can tell form a quick check on the modem it can be connected via USB or Ethernet. I presume that's the USB you mention.
>
cable to modem, modem to router, router to computer USB

This brings up another question. My computer is the server,
right? So, how is this configuration changed by a NIC card?
One less cord? If not, what would a NIC card do for me?
>
>
> Are you getting to the ng's from the machine in question now? If so, then it is working properly, correct? Then the network is not an issue, correct?

Right. So, let's get back to the reason why we're chatting
in the first place (so that we can get back to the initial
issue which hasn't been resolved): Do I need to change any
of the (control panel) network settings away from what PCR
suggested? I can copy and repost his suggestions, if
necessary.

:)
TIA

sf


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[PCR]

Please keep my name out of it! It is all Brian A.'s fault if you blow up
now! Here is what I posted for HIS enlightenment...

A. Configuration tab

Primary Network Logon: "Client for Microsoft Networks" is selected in
the dropdown menu.
File & Print Sharing button: Neither is checked.
These components are installed...
(1) Client for Microsoft Networks
Properties: Only "Logon & restore..." is bolted.
(2) Dial-Up Adapter
Properties:
(a) Driver Type tab: Only "Enhanced mode..." is bolted.
(b) Bindings tab: Only TCP/IP is present & checked.
(c) Advanced tab:
1. Enable Point To Point IP: Yes.
2. IP Packet Size: Large
3. Record a log file: No.
4. Use IPX header compression: No.
(3) TCP/IP
Properties:
Bindings tab: Only "Client for Microsoft Networks" is present &
checked.
Advanced tab: Allow Binding to ATM: No.
NetBIOS tab: "I want to enable..." is checked but shaded.
DNS Configuration tab: Disable DNS is bolted. Rest is blank.
Gateway tab: Looks blankish.
WINS Configuration tab: Only Disable WINS Resolution is bolted.
IP Address tab: Only "Obtain an IP address automatically" is
bolted.

(B) Identification tab

(1) Computer name: Computer.
(2) Workgroup: Workgroup.
(3) Computer Description: Unknown User.

(C) Access Control tab
Only "Share level access control" is bolted.

I thought I knew what I was doing at the time I set it up like that. I
trust I was just about right.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:07:57 -0500, "Brian A."
| <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:
|
| > "sf" > wrote in message
...
| > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:36:54 -0500, "Brian A."
| > > <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:
| > >
| > > > You also keep mentioning a wireless router. What is the
make/model?
| > >
| > > Netgear. I think they only have two models - wire and
| > > wireless.
| >
| > No, that would be the different types. I use a Netgear (make)
RO318 (model) for my network.
| > What model is it?
|
| Netgrear WGR614v4
| >
| > > > You =
| > > > also mention here that you have cable/cable modem. Why don't
you have a =
| > > > NIC?
| > >
| > > Because my computer is 5 or 6 years old and I never
| > > considered being on a router before this summer.
| > >
| > > > Install a NIC.
| > >
| > > I will eventually.
| >
| > They're cheap at around $15-$25 US.
| > >
| >
| I know... but I wouldn't do it myself, so I have to take it
| to the computer guy - which means dealing with that jungle
| again. He was in the middle of moving locations when I was
| jazzed up to get the NIC and networking was only a gleam in
| my daughter's eye. Now, everything is connected and it's
| even more daunting back there.
|
| > > > What is the USB port for that you're "connected" to?
| > >
| > > I have absolutely no idea, USB is USB to me.
| >
| > Ok.
| >
| > > It's cable. The modem is a Toshiba pcx2000.
| >
| > Forget the above. You have true cable and for what I can tell form
a quick check on the modem it can be connected via USB or Ethernet. I
presume that's the USB you mention.
| >
| cable to modem, modem to router, router to computer USB
|
| This brings up another question. My computer is the server,
| right? So, how is this configuration changed by a NIC card?
| One less cord? If not, what would a NIC card do for me?
| >
| >
| > Are you getting to the ng's from the machine in question now? If so,
then it is working properly, correct? Then the network is not an issue,
correct?
|
| Right. So, let's get back to the reason why we're chatting
| in the first place (so that we can get back to the initial
| issue which hasn't been resolved): Do I need to change any
| of the (control panel) network settings away from what PCR
| suggested? I can copy and repost his suggestions, if
| necessary.
|
| :)
| TIA
|
| sf
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[sf]

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:06:05 -0400, "PCR"
> wrote:

> Please keep my name out of it! It is all Brian A.'s fault if you blow up
> now! Here is what I posted for HIS enlightenment...


Hey, sweetie! You were doing your best, it's just that I
switched horses as they say... and you forgot. I'm still
online happily cruising in the slow lane of the information
highway.

:)
sf


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[PCR]

Unfortunately, I'm not much faster on this topic, "Control Panel,
Network". All I can do is flash my headlights & hit your rear bumper. I
remain confident Brian A. will get you all right.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:06:05 -0400, "PCR"
| > wrote:
|
| > Please keep my name out of it! It is all Brian A.'s fault if you
blow up
| > now! Here is what I posted for HIS enlightenment...
|
|
| Hey, sweetie! You were doing your best, it's just that I
| switched horses as they say... and you forgot. I'm still
| online happily cruising in the slow lane of the information
| highway.
|
| :)
| sf
|
|
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[Brian A.]

"sf" > wrote in message =
...
> Netgrear WGR614v4=20
> Install a NIC.
> I will eventually.

I wouldn't bother if you're not having problems. From all mentioned it =
appears you have no problems.=20

> I know... but I wouldn't do it myself, so I have to take it
> to the computer guy - which means dealing with that jungle
> again. He was in the middle of moving locations when I was
> jazzed up to get the NIC and networking was only a gleam in
> my daughter's eye. Now, everything is connected and it's
> even more daunting back there.

If you ever did want to install one, select a wireless one especially =
since the router is so close. It's as easy as putting it in a PCI slot =
like any other adapter and minor if any TCP/IP configuring.
you mention.

> cable to modem, modem to router, router to computer USB

As suspected.

> This brings up another question. My computer is the server,
> right? So, how is this configuration changed by a NIC card?
> One less cord? If not, what would a NIC card do for me?

No, the router is the gateway "server". With a wireless NIC it would be =
one less cord, otherwise if the USB works well and you have good =
connection/speed why bother.=20

BTW, I'm not sure which version of firmware is installed for the router, =
yet if you wanted too you could upgrade it if any differences are =
significant in them. Look on top right of page. As always make sure you =
keep a backup of the installed firmware which can be done from within =
the router.
http://kbserver.netgear.com/products_automatic/WGR614v4.asp

> > Are you getting to the ng's from the machine in question now? If so, =
then it is working properly, correct? Then the network is not an issue, =
correct?
>=20
> Right. So, let's get back to the reason why we're chatting
> in the first place (so that we can get back to the initial
> issue which hasn't been resolved): Do I need to change any
> of the (control panel) network settings away from what PCR
> suggested? I can copy and repost his suggestions, if
> necessary.=20

No need to post PCR's, the only real thing I see different is the =
Dialup Adapter which you do not have or use. Just Don't use any of those =
settings. If you are having no problems leave well enough alone.
If you wish you can see the settings I have that would even mean =
anything to you. Anything other I won't post as I do use a NIC in every =
machine (5) which is unimportant and others for security reasons.
http://home.comcast.net/~bascon58/inq_results1.htm

All in all I would not bother with anything except possibly the router =
firmware update if important enough.


--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[Brian A.]

"PCR" > wrote in message =
...
> Please keep my name out of it! It is all Brian A.'s fault if you blow =
up
> now! Here is what I posted for HIS enlightenment...

KABOOM!!!


--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[Gary S. Terhune]

Got so enlightened the fuse just spontaneously lit, eh?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Brian A." <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote in message
...
"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> Please keep my name out of it! It is all Brian A.'s fault if you blow up
> now! Here is what I posted for HIS enlightenment...

KABOOM!!!


--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[sf]

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:03:05 -0500, "Brian A."
<GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:

> http://home.comcast.net/~bascon58/inq_results1.htm
>
Thanks! I'm in sync.

See, PCR? It wasn't a wasted effort and you didn't help me
shoot myself in the foot after all!
LOL

> All in all I would not bother with anything except possibly the router =
> firmware update if important enough.

It's possible to update firmware? I didn't know! In fact,
I've never even given firmware a thought before this.


Okay, I decided to update the modem firmware first (router
is brand new). Found the toshiba firmware update page - but
they are asking for information that I don't have a clue
about. Maybe you can help me.

I need to find:
Processor Type
Processor Speed

I went to My Computer > Properties

Is the processor Intel?

Is the processor speed "Stepping 3"?
There was a whole bunch of other stuff before that, but it
wouldn't fit into Toshiba's info box, so I guess they didn't
want all of it.

TIA

sf
Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[PCR]

Oooof!

If you wish you can see the settings I have that would even mean
anything to you. Anything other I won't post as I do use a NIC in every
machine (5) which is unimportant and others for security reasons.
http://home.comcast.net/~bascon58/inq_results1.htm

I don't really see a great deal of difference between that and mine. But
where is the Configuration tab? What components are installed?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Brian A." <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote in message
...
"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> Please keep my name out of it! It is all Brian A.'s fault if you blow
up
> now! Here is what I posted for HIS enlightenment...

KABOOM!!!


--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[PCR]

| See, PCR? It wasn't a wasted effort and you didn't help me
| shoot myself in the foot after all!
| LOL

However, this thread is still going, not to mention you started another
one, named "PING: Brian". I trust all will be well. Really! Still, it
may be wise to do a full system backup before doing something as large
as updating drivers. Have you seen my list of apps? Here, especially, is
a thing to consider...

http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert
http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version

Those last two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such
that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable
report.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"sf" > wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:03:05 -0500, "Brian A."
| <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote:
|
| > http://home.comcast.net/~bascon58/inq_results1.htm
| >
| Thanks! I'm in sync.
|
| See, PCR? It wasn't a wasted effort and you didn't help me
| shoot myself in the foot after all!
| LOL
|
| > All in all I would not bother with anything except possibly the
router =
| > firmware update if important enough.
|
| It's possible to update firmware? I didn't know! In fact,
| I've never even given firmware a thought before this.
|
|
| Okay, I decided to update the modem firmware first (router
| is brand new). Found the toshiba firmware update page - but
| they are asking for information that I don't have a clue
| about. Maybe you can help me.
|
| I need to find:
| Processor Type
| Processor Speed
|
| I went to My Computer > Properties
|
| Is the processor Intel?
|
| Is the processor speed "Stepping 3"?
| There was a whole bunch of other stuff before that, but it
| wouldn't fit into Toshiba's info box, so I guess they didn't
| want all of it.
|
| TIA
|
| sf
| Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[Brian A.]

"PCR" > wrote in message =
...
> | See, PCR? It wasn't a wasted effort and you didn't help me
> | shoot myself in the foot after all!
> | LOL
>=20
> However, this thread is still going, not to mention you started =
another
> one, named "PING: Brian". I trust all will be well. Really! Still, it
> may be wise to do a full system backup before doing something as large
> as updating drivers.

Not necessary, the router should have an option within it's =
setup/config kept in the router to backup the firmware *Not drivers* nor =
can it be found in Windows. All routers require a user name/password to =
get in after typing the IP for the router in your browser. I'm not =
positive about all but all I have seen use a default IP of 192.168.0.1, =
username admin and pw 1234. The first thing anyone should do is change =
the settings for the un/pw.


--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[Brian A.]

"sf" > wrote in message =
...
<snip>
> It's possible to update firmware? I didn't know! In fact,
> I've never even given firmware a thought before this.
>=20
>=20
> Okay, I decided to update the modem firmware first (router
> is brand new). Found the toshiba firmware update page - but
> they are asking for information that I don't have a clue
> about. Maybe you can help me.
>=20
> I need to find:
> Processor Type
> Processor Speed

The easiest ways if you do not know is your computers documentation or =
the manufacturers support site. Look up the specs for your specific =
machine there.
Other ways woud be: System info, Belarc Advisor, AIDA32, BIOS or MC =
Props as mentioned below.

>=20
> I went to My Computer > Properties
>=20
> Is the processor Intel?

The processor is the I'd say yes as it does show it there along with =
speed which will be the number before MHz or GHz.

>=20
> Is the processor speed "Stepping 3"?

Don't know without knowing exactly which one it is, AIDA32 is your best =
bet and then you can look at Intels site for the specs.
=20
> There was a whole bunch of other stuff before that, but it
> wouldn't fit into Toshiba's info box, so I guess they didn't
> want all of it.

Are you sure it's firmware and not drivers your trying to get? =
Personally I wouldn't bother as it's not security related. Also if you =
did not purchase the modem and it was supplied by Comcast they can hold =
you responsible for any costs if something went wrong and they had to =
replace it. If you didn't purchase it, they own it and you only rent it.

Moving on up to new thread.


--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[PCR]

"Brian A." <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote in message
...
"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> | See, PCR? It wasn't a wasted effort and you didn't help me
> | shoot myself in the foot after all!
> | LOL
>
> However, this thread is still going, not to mention you started
another
> one, named "PING: Brian". I trust all will be well. Really! Still, it
> may be wise to do a full system backup before doing something as large
> as updating drivers.

Not necessary, the router should have an option within it's
setup/config kept in the router to backup the firmware *Not drivers* nor
can it be found in Windows. All routers require a user name/password to
get in after typing the IP for the router in your browser. I'm not
positive about all but all I have seen use a default IP of 192.168.0.1,
username admin and pw 1234. The first thing anyone should do is change
the settings for the un/pw.

PCR: This is why I long ago have left this thread in your capable hands
& have disavowed all responsibility of mishap. I don't know a thing
about all that!

--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR