View Full Version : MVPEEs who lack manners...
Enigma
June 7th 04, 12:09 PM
The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
most smug is....Gary S Terhune
The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
all could and should work on your manners now and again!
George
June 7th 04, 12:44 PM
Enigma appears to have gotten out of the wrong side of his bed
this morning; moreover he is FACTUALLY WRONG. Gary, Alan, and
Bear have been providing INVALUABLE help to thousands over the
years. We can only hope that they will continue to share their
knowledge and experience with us.
George
Dapper Dan
June 7th 04, 01:46 PM
Man. what's wrong with some of you guys ???? You come to these sites
seeking FREE help in resolving issues and then you "dis" those that
try and help you.
Granted, there are some that you could call lazy and should probably
lose their MVP status because of their lack of effort in responding.
However you couldn't be further from the truth in your assessment of
the three you named. Check out any well written "cry for help", and
you will see the most detailed response you would want from any of the
three you name. And if you don't understand the response, and say so,
you will see incredible patience as they try and walk you through the
"fix".
"Enigma" > wrote in message
...
> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>
> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>
> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>
> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
Jake
June 7th 04, 02:40 PM
Hi Dapper Dan,
> Man. what's wrong with some of you guys ???? You come to these sites
> seeking FREE help in resolving issues and then you "dis" those that
> try and help you.
Fully agreed Dan,
Imagine... the MVP's dont 'have to' help solve problems... and if they stayed away...
would Enigma provide the solution???
and for Enigma...
No one is pointing a gun at your head
You dont 'have to' read here if you dont like what you see... !
--
Windows98 links to solutions http://jake98.no-ip.info
Replies in the same thread please
Regards Jake
Enigma
June 7th 04, 03:08 PM
You all seem to be under the impression that I've asked
for help at some stage and wasn't satisfied with the
answers or help...Wrong! I've never posted a question
here. My beef isn't with all mvpees just the consistantly
lazy, smug, lord like and dismissive ones. For every
undeserving mvpee there's those good ones who stand out
like Glee, Bert Kinney, Ron Badour to name a few here who
help without the bulls**t. Oh and cquirke an amazingly
knowledgeable martian with a very imformative and somewhat
humerous website. Actually you know what's worse than a
undeserving mvpee, is a wannabe butt kissing for a future
t-shirt rofl
>-----Original Message-----
>
>Hi Dapper Dan,
>
>> Man. what's wrong with some of you guys ???? You come
to these sites
>> seeking FREE help in resolving issues and then
you "dis" those that
>> try and help you.
>
>Fully agreed Dan,
>Imagine... the MVP's dont 'have to' help solve
problems... and if they stayed away...
>would Enigma provide the solution???
>
>and for Enigma...
>No one is pointing a gun at your head
>You dont 'have to' read here if you dont like what you
see... !
>
>--
>Windows98 links to solutions http://jake98.no-ip.info
>Replies in the same thread please
>Regards Jake
>.
>
Mostly Me (MM)
June 7th 04, 05:05 PM
Enigma wrote:
> ... Actually you know what's worse than a
> undeserving mvpee, is a wannabe butt kissing for a future
> t-shirt rofl
>
>
>
Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
mm
Doug Kanter
June 7th 04, 05:17 PM
Why don't YOU try answering the same questions 137,000 times in a 3 day
period, especially when a scan of the headers would reveal that others had
posted the question and gotten it answered the day before? Who's lazy? The
MVP, who wants to go home already? Or, the user who couldn't bother to
figure out how to sort messages by date because they were too busy eating
cheese doodles to move their mouse?
"Enigma" > wrote in message
...
> You all seem to be under the impression that I've asked
> for help at some stage and wasn't satisfied with the
> answers or help...Wrong! I've never posted a question
> here. My beef isn't with all mvpees just the consistantly
> lazy, smug, lord like and dismissive ones. For every
> undeserving mvpee there's those good ones who stand out
> like Glee, Bert Kinney, Ron Badour to name a few here who
> help without the bulls**t. Oh and cquirke an amazingly
> knowledgeable martian with a very imformative and somewhat
> humerous website. Actually you know what's worse than a
> undeserving mvpee, is a wannabe butt kissing for a future
> t-shirt rofl
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >Hi Dapper Dan,
> >
> >> Man. what's wrong with some of you guys ???? You come
> to these sites
> >> seeking FREE help in resolving issues and then
> you "dis" those that
> >> try and help you.
> >
> >Fully agreed Dan,
> >Imagine... the MVP's dont 'have to' help solve
> problems... and if they stayed away...
> >would Enigma provide the solution???
> >
> >and for Enigma...
> >No one is pointing a gun at your head
> >You dont 'have to' read here if you dont like what you
> see... !
> >
> >--
> >Windows98 links to solutions http://jake98.no-ip.info
> >Replies in the same thread please
> >Regards Jake
> >.
> >
Hugh Candlin
June 7th 04, 06:40 PM
Enigma > wrote in message ...
> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>
> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>
> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>
> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
Jesus is here, everyone look busy.......
ppoatt
June 7th 04, 07:33 PM
I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
98NG will seem like home.
>-----Original Message-----
>The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
>most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>
>The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>
>The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>
>You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
>all could and should work on your manners now and again!
>.
>
Gary S. Terhune
June 7th 04, 07:53 PM
Do we get additional ribbons on our trophies?
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"Enigma" > wrote in message
...
> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>
> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>
> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>
> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
Doug Kanter
June 7th 04, 07:59 PM
Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who believe XP
isn't for the peasants.
"ppoatt" > wrote in message
...
> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> 98NG will seem like home.
> >-----Original Message-----
> >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> >
> >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> >
> >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> >
> >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> >.
> >
Now you've made me MVP<redacted> my pants!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"Enigma" > wrote in message
...
| The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
| most smug is....Gary S Terhune
|
| The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
|
| The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
|
| You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
| all could and should work on your manners now and again!
You should HONOR the MVPees over there, who SUFFER the slings & arrows
of outrageous XP-radiation JUST to help others, ppoatt!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"ppoatt" > wrote in message
...
| I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
| NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
| 98NG will seem like home.
| >-----Original Message-----
| >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
| >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
| >
| >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
| >
| >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
| >
| >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
| >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
| >.
| >
glee
June 7th 04, 10:27 PM
I was really hoping for the award that Alan got :-(
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Do we get additional ribbons on our trophies?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "Enigma" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> > most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> >
> > The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> >
> > The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> >
> > You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> > all could and should work on your manners now and again!
>
Gary S. Terhune
June 7th 04, 10:43 PM
No, you're Mr. Concise, but you're not "mean" enough.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"glee" > wrote in message
...
> I was really hoping for the award that Alan got :-(
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Do we get additional ribbons on our trophies?
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "Enigma" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> > > most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> > >
> > > The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> > >
> > > The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> > >
> > > You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> > > all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> >
>
Brian A.
June 8th 04, 01:20 AM
And yet you hide behind the Cloak of the CDO! At least when they respond, we all know
who they are.
--
Brian A.
Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.
Richard G. Harper
June 8th 04, 01:20 AM
Try harder.
(There, was that concise and mean enough? <VBSEG>)
--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"glee" > wrote in message
...
> I was really hoping for the award that Alan got :-(
Papa
June 8th 04, 01:55 AM
How would you know? You've never even participated in this newsgroup before.
You've never asked for help, and you've never offered help.
If you had, you might have learned by now that a web interface (CDO in your
case) is NOT the best newsgroup reader in the world. Obviously you can
criticize, but you have much to learn - about people skills as well as
computer skills.
Curt Christianson
June 8th 04, 05:42 AM
Enigma,
YOU don't even win an award for the most obnoxious troll, maybe the most
misinformed one though. Keep working at it--one day you may get your
t-shirt. I can only imagine what yours will say.
--
Curt--not the MVP by the same name
W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/
"Enigma" > wrote in message
...
> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>
> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>
> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>
> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
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That is very Christianson of you, to come to the defense of MVPs-- with
that doppelganger haunting you & all!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"Curt Christianson" > wrote in message
...
| Enigma,
| YOU don't even win an award for the most obnoxious troll, maybe the
most
| misinformed one though. Keep working at it--one day you may get your
| t-shirt. I can only imagine what yours will say.
|
| --
| Curt--not the MVP by the same name
|
| W98 Support & Discussion:
| http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
| Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
| http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
| Windows Help & Discussion:
| http://forum.aumha.org/
|
| "Enigma" > wrote in message
| ...
| > The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
| > most smug is....Gary S Terhune
| >
| > The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
| >
| > The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
| >
| > You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
| > all could and should work on your manners now and again!
|
|
| ---
| Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/04
|
|
PA Bear
June 9th 04, 03:05 AM
It's schizos like you that give geeks a bad name.
(If you're one of my in-laws, your dog died.)
Thankyouverymuch
--
~PAÞ
PS: http://snipurl.com/6y3d (it's got *two* r's) (Oops, was that rude?
<ROFL>)
Enigma wrote:
> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>
> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>
> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>
> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
Kelly
June 9th 04, 03:18 AM
Why do you say that?
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who believe XP
> isn't for the peasants.
>
> "ppoatt" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
>> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
>> 98NG will seem like home.
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
>> >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>> >
>> >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>> >
>> >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>> >
>> >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
>> >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
>> >.
>> >
>
>
Richard G. Harper
June 9th 04, 03:19 AM
Do you have an alibi for the time of the decedent's passing? ;-)
--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"PA Bear" > wrote in message
...
> (If you're one of my in-laws, your dog died.)
>
> Thankyouverymuch
Gary S. Terhune
June 9th 04, 03:22 AM
"Winny" Award? What's that? (Private response OK, <g>.)
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
> Why do you say that?
>
> --
> All the Best,
> Kelly
>
> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>
I'm sure I don't know what got into those two, ppoatt & Kanter! Have you
gone through decontamination before coming here? Then, all is well!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
| Why do you say that?
|
| --
| All the Best,
| Kelly
|
| Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
| 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
|
| Troubleshooting Windows XP
| http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
|
| Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
| http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
|
|
| "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
| ...
| > Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who believe
XP
| > isn't for the peasants.
| >
| > "ppoatt" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
| >> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
| >> 98NG will seem like home.
| >> >-----Original Message-----
| >> >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
| >> >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
| >> >
| >> >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
| >> >
| >> >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
| >> >
| >> >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
| >> >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
| >> >.
| >> >
| >
| >
|
|
cquirke (MVP Win9x)
June 9th 04, 10:11 AM
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:09:57 -0700, "Enigma"
>The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
>most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>
>The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>
>The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>
>You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
>all could and should work on your manners now and again!
You'll have more gift horses to choose from if you don't pull their
teeth! As-is, their advice is worth what it costs you :-)
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Doug Kanter
June 9th 04, 04:26 PM
XP Pro contains features which, in the past, were typical of NT, things sys
admins were accustomed to seeing, but not your average "How do I change the
size of the mouse pointer" user. It's great that it has these features
(security, networking perks, etc), but there's a problem. New computers are
being sold with the OS, "average" users are buying those machines, but the
documentation, in many cases, is not aimed at average users.
In the XP newsgroups, I've seen quite a few responses which can be
summarized as "Did you read the instructions?"
"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
> Why do you say that?
>
> --
> All the Best,
> Kelly
>
> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>
> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>
> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who believe XP
> > isn't for the peasants.
> >
> > "ppoatt" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> >> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> >> 98NG will seem like home.
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> >> >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> >> >
> >> >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> >> >
> >> >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> >> >
> >> >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> >> >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
>
>
PA, I took that IQ test, & I'm confident I got 100%. Is there any way
for me to actually see the score, w/o registering at the site? I DON'T
want them to send government people over here to lock me up in forced
servitude in some military think tank, you know!
By the way, what is the story about Christianson's doppelganger!?
Surely, all of you MVP's won't eventually go in for that!?!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"PA Bear" > wrote in message
...
| It's schizos like you that give geeks a bad name.
|
| (If you're one of my in-laws, your dog died.)
|
| Thankyouverymuch
| --
| ~PAÞ
|
| PS: http://snipurl.com/6y3d (it's got *two* r's) (Oops, was that rude?
| <ROFL>)
|
| Enigma wrote:
| > The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
| > most smug is....Gary S Terhune
| >
| > The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
| >
| > The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
| >
| > You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
| > all could and should work on your manners now and again!
|
PA Bear
June 10th 04, 04:53 AM
Yeah but /my/ dog ate it. <woof>
Richard G. Harper wrote:
> Do you have an alibi for the time of the decedent's passing? ;-)
>
>
>> (If you're one of my in-laws, your dog died.)
>>
>> Thankyouverymuch
Kelly
June 10th 04, 06:01 AM
Thanks for the reply, Doug and I understand what you are saying. However,
we are all not like that and I honestly can't think of one who is. I
generally work XP Customize and XP Gen. Drop in anytime. :o)
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> XP Pro contains features which, in the past, were typical of NT, things
> sys
> admins were accustomed to seeing, but not your average "How do I change
> the
> size of the mouse pointer" user. It's great that it has these features
> (security, networking perks, etc), but there's a problem. New computers
> are
> being sold with the OS, "average" users are buying those machines, but the
> documentation, in many cases, is not aimed at average users.
>
> In the XP newsgroups, I've seen quite a few responses which can be
> summarized as "Did you read the instructions?"
>
> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Why do you say that?
>>
>> --
>> All the Best,
>> Kelly
>>
>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>>
>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>>
>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>>
>>
>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who believe XP
>> > isn't for the peasants.
>> >
>> > "ppoatt" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
>> >> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
>> >> 98NG will seem like home.
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
>> >> >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>> >> >
>> >> >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>> >> >
>> >> >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>> >> >
>> >> >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
>> >> >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
PA Bear
June 10th 04, 06:15 AM
On the other hand, "Did you read the instructions?" is quite often a valid
question, Doug, just as is "Did you review previous posts here in the
off-chance that someone else might have had the same problem?"
BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
margin usually.
--
~PA Bear
www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
Kelly wrote:
> Thanks for the reply, Doug and I understand what you are saying. However,
> we are all not like that and I honestly can't think of one who is. I
> generally work XP Customize and XP Gen. Drop in anytime. :o)
>
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
>> XP Pro contains features which, in the past, were typical of NT, things
>> sys
>> admins were accustomed to seeing, but not your average "How do I change
>> the
>> size of the mouse pointer" user. It's great that it has these features
>> (security, networking perks, etc), but there's a problem. New computers
>> are
>> being sold with the OS, "average" users are buying those machines, but
>> the documentation, in many cases, is not aimed at average users.
>>
>> In the XP newsgroups, I've seen quite a few responses which can be
>> summarized as "Did you read the instructions?"
>>
>> "Kelly" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Why do you say that?
>>>
>>> --
>>> All the Best,
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
>>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>>>
>>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>>>
>>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
>>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who believe XP
>>>> isn't for the peasants.
>>>>
>>>> "ppoatt" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
>>>>> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
>>>>> 98NG will seem like home.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
>>>>>> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
>>>>>> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
>>>>>> .
Gary S. Terhune
June 10th 04, 07:31 AM
Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts hanging
from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"PA Bear" > wrote in message
...
>
> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
> margin usually.
> --
> ~PA Bear
> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
Bill in Co.
June 10th 04, 10:57 AM
Yeah, but I wonder what kind of questions they've got to answer over there
in the XP newsgroups.
On second thought, maybe I don't. I bet I can guess:
Let's see.... perhaps something like.... "my computer all of a sudden died
today, when I pulled out the power plug. Can you help me? :-)
(actually, I don't know that for a fact, but I'm just guessing!)
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
> groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
>
> 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts hanging
> from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
>> margin usually.
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
Richard G. Harper
June 10th 04, 12:03 PM
Yeah, but what good would they be now if we took them back? GUIs for this,
GUIs for that, I'll bet not a one of them has booted with a floppy or run a
program from the command line since the switch ...
:-)
--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
> groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
>
> 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts hanging
> from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
> > margin usually.
> > --
> > ~PA Bear
> > www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>
ArtWilder
June 10th 04, 02:56 PM
That would certainly lighten the load on the MVP's in this group. :>
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
> groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
>
> 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts hanging
> from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
> > margin usually.
> > --
> > ~PA Bear
> > www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>
ArtWilder
June 10th 04, 02:57 PM
Will the radiation ever effect the champion of the 9x code, PCR? LOL
"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> You should HONOR the MVPees over there, who SUFFER the slings & arrows
> of outrageous XP-radiation JUST to help others, ppoatt!
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
> "ppoatt" > wrote in message
> ...
> | I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> | NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> | 98NG will seem like home.
> | >-----Original Message-----
> | >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> | >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> | >
> | >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> | >
> | >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> | >
> | >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> | >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> | >.
> | >
>
>
ArtWilder
June 10th 04, 02:59 PM
Unofficial Moderater and PeaceKeeper: Now keep it civil you too or both your
mouths will have to be washed out with soap. :> <vbg>
"PA Bear" > wrote in message
...
> It's schizos like you that give geeks a bad name.
>
> (If you're one of my in-laws, your dog died.)
>
> Thankyouverymuch
> --
> ~PAÞ
>
> PS: http://snipurl.com/6y3d (it's got *two* r's) (Oops, was that rude?
> <ROFL>)
>
> Enigma wrote:
> > The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> > most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> >
> > The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> >
> > The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> >
> > You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> > all could and should work on your manners now and again!
>
ArtWilder
June 10th 04, 03:00 PM
Are you like me and big into conspiracy theories as well, PCR?
"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> PA, I took that IQ test, & I'm confident I got 100%. Is there any way
> for me to actually see the score, w/o registering at the site? I DON'T
> want them to send government people over here to lock me up in forced
> servitude in some military think tank, you know!
>
> By the way, what is the story about Christianson's doppelganger!?
> Surely, all of you MVP's won't eventually go in for that!?!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
> | It's schizos like you that give geeks a bad name.
> |
> | (If you're one of my in-laws, your dog died.)
> |
> | Thankyouverymuch
> | --
> | ~PAÞ
> |
> | PS: http://snipurl.com/6y3d (it's got *two* r's) (Oops, was that rude?
> | <ROFL>)
> |
> | Enigma wrote:
> | > The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> | > most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> | >
> | > The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> | >
> | > The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> | >
> | > You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> | > all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> |
>
>
ArtWilder
June 10th 04, 03:01 PM
Are you implying that you never make a mistake when it comes to computers?
"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:09:57 -0700, "Enigma"
>
> >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> >
> >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> >
> >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> >
> >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
>
> You'll have more gift horses to choose from if you don't pull their
> teeth! As-is, their advice is worth what it costs you :-)
>
>
>
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Mostly Me (MM)
June 10th 04, 03:25 PM
ArtWilder wrote:
> Are you implying that you never make a mistake when it comes to computers?
>
> "cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
>>
>> Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
>>
>>>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
>
>
Re-read the sig., Art. As for myself, I am misteak-free.
mm
Hugh Candlin
June 10th 04, 05:15 PM
PA Bear > wrote in message ...
>
> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
> margin usually.
Survey time!!! Come one, come all.
Which of the possible reasons for this do you subscribe to?
PCR
June 10th 04, 07:47 PM
I worry sometimes when they come crawling back to this NG without a
proper decontamination; that's all. I can see tiny radiation holes
appearing in this thread, & most of them are near Kelly's posts! Looks
like she's covered in XP-dust, just as ppoatt once warned!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
news:oNZxc.30333$My6.25656@fed1read05...
| Will the radiation ever effect the champion of the 9x code, PCR? LOL
|
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
| > You should HONOR the MVPees over there, who SUFFER the slings &
arrows
| > of outrageous XP-radiation JUST to help others, ppoatt!
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| >
| > "ppoatt" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > | I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
| > | NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
| > | 98NG will seem like home.
| > | >-----Original Message-----
| > | >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
| > | >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
| > | >
| > | >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
| > | >
| > | >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
| > | >
| > | >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
| > | >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
| > | >.
| > | >
| >
| >
|
|
PCR
June 10th 04, 07:54 PM
No. Could be they do it on individual decisions. That's why I'm asking
Bear.
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
news:mQZxc.30335$My6.2822@fed1read05...
| Are you like me and big into conspiracy theories as well, PCR?
|
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
| > PA, I took that IQ test, & I'm confident I got 100%. Is there any
way
| > for me to actually see the score, w/o registering at the site? I
DON'T
| > want them to send government people over here to lock me up in
forced
| > servitude in some military think tank, you know!
| >
| > By the way, what is the story about Christianson's doppelganger!?
| > Surely, all of you MVP's won't eventually go in for that!?!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| >
| > "PA Bear" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > | It's schizos like you that give geeks a bad name.
| > |
| > | (If you're one of my in-laws, your dog died.)
| > |
| > | Thankyouverymuch
| > | --
| > | ~PAÞ
| > |
| > | PS: http://snipurl.com/6y3d (it's got *two* r's) (Oops, was that
rude?
| > | <ROFL>)
| > |
| > | Enigma wrote:
| > | > The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
| > | > most smug is....Gary S Terhune
| > | >
| > | > The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
| > | >
| > | > The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
| > | >
| > | > You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
| > | > all could and should work on your manners now and again!
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
PCR
June 10th 04, 07:57 PM
Yow. That took a lot of rereading, but I finally saw it!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"Mostly Me (MM)" > wrote in message
...
| ArtWilder wrote:
|
| > Are you implying that you never make a mistake when it comes to
computers?
| >
| > "cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >>>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
| >>
| >> Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
| >>
| >>>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
| >
| >
| Re-read the sig., Art. As for myself, I am misteak-free.
|
| mm
|
|
Brian A.
June 10th 04, 08:32 PM
A vegytyrant, Ay!
--
Brian A.
Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.
"Mostly Me (MM)" > wrote in message
...
> Re-read the sig., Art. As for myself, I am misteak-free.
>
> mm
>
>
Gary S. Terhune
June 10th 04, 09:13 PM
Me, I try never to be misteaken. I get grumpy if I don't have my daily dose
of singed blood.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"Brian A." <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote in message
...
> A vegytyrant, Ay!
>
> --
> Brian A.
>
> Jack of all trades, Master of none.
> One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.
>
>
> "Mostly Me (MM)" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Re-read the sig., Art. As for myself, I am misteak-free.
> >
> > mm
> >
> >
>
Brian A.
June 10th 04, 09:26 PM
Now I'm hungry and I hear the dinner bell on it's way in from the pasture.
--
Brian A.
Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Me, I try never to be misteaken. I get grumpy if I don't have my daily dose
> of singed blood.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "Brian A." <GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake> wrote in message
> ...
> > A vegytyrant, Ay!
> >
> > --
> > Brian A.
> >
> > Jack of all trades, Master of none.
> > One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.
> >
> >
> > "Mostly Me (MM)" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Re-read the sig., Art. As for myself, I am misteak-free.
> > >
> > > mm
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Curt Christianson
June 11th 04, 01:28 AM
My guess the reason for the large number of XP posts is because everything
in the recent past comes with XP already installed. :-(
--
Curt--not the MVP by the same name
W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/
"Hugh Candlin" > wrote in message
...
>
> PA Bear > wrote in message
...
> >
> > BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
> > margin usually.
>
> Survey time!!! Come one, come all.
>
> Which of the possible reasons for this do you subscribe to?
>
>
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Kelly
June 11th 04, 02:08 AM
<LOL> But I told you, this batch is going great and swim to the Gregorian
Chant. :o)
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"PA Bear" > wrote in message
...
> On the other hand, "Did you read the instructions?" is quite often a valid
> question, Doug, just as is "Did you review previous posts here in the
> off-chance that someone else might have had the same problem?"
>
> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
> margin usually.
> --
> ~PA Bear
> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>
<snip>
Kelly
June 11th 04, 02:10 AM
Yeah right, GAry.....ask how many actually work XP Gen?
BTW, I did get your private e-mail and will respond soon. :o)
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
> groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
>
> 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts hanging
> from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
>> margin usually.
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>
Kelly
June 11th 04, 02:11 AM
For starters, Bill:
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/top10faqs.htm
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> Yeah, but I wonder what kind of questions they've got to answer over there
> in the XP newsgroups.
>
> On second thought, maybe I don't. I bet I can guess:
>
> Let's see.... perhaps something like.... "my computer all of a sudden
> died
> today, when I pulled out the power plug. Can you help me? :-)
>
> (actually, I don't know that for a fact, but I'm just guessing!)
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
>> groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
>>
>> 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts
>> hanging
>> from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS MVP for Win9x
>>
>> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
>>> margin usually.
>>> --
>>> ~PA Bear
>>> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>
>
Kelly
June 11th 04, 02:15 AM
> Yeah, but what good would they be now if we took them back?
Hey now, wanna trade groups for one week? I can still work Win98 (I think).
<w>
>I'll bet not a one of them has booted with a floppy or run a
> program from the command line since the switch ...
Floppy, Richard? They still make those?
I don't even have a "floppy drive" on my last three systems. :o)
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah, but what good would they be now if we took them back? GUIs for
> this,
> GUIs for that, I'll bet not a one of them has booted with a floppy or run
> a
> program from the command line since the switch ...
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
>> groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
>>
>> 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts
>> hanging
>> from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS MVP for Win9x
>>
>> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
>> > margin usually.
>> > --
>> > ~PA Bear
>> > www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>>
>
>
Kelly
June 11th 04, 02:16 AM
>Looks like she's covered in XP-dust, just as ppoatt once warned!
Hmmm.....do I want to know what that means? :o)
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"PCR" > wrote in message
...
>I worry sometimes when they come crawling back to this NG without a
> proper decontamination; that's all. I can see tiny radiation holes
> appearing in this thread, & most of them are near Kelly's posts! Looks
> like she's covered in XP-dust, just as ppoatt once warned!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
> "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> news:oNZxc.30333$My6.25656@fed1read05...
> | Will the radiation ever effect the champion of the 9x code, PCR? LOL
> |
> | "PCR" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > You should HONOR the MVPees over there, who SUFFER the slings &
> arrows
> | > of outrageous XP-radiation JUST to help others, ppoatt!
> | >
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | >
> | > "ppoatt" > wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> | > | NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> | > | 98NG will seem like home.
> | > | >-----Original Message-----
> | > | >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> | > | >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> | > | >
> | > | >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> | > | >
> | > | >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> | > | >
> | > | >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> | > | >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> | > | >.
> | > | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
PCR
June 11th 04, 03:03 AM
It means you'd better switch NGs with Terhune, at least until you stop
glowing!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
| >Looks like she's covered in XP-dust, just as ppoatt once warned!
|
| Hmmm.....do I want to know what that means? :o)
|
| --
| All the Best,
| Kelly
|
| Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
| 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
|
| Troubleshooting Windows XP
| http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
|
| Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
| http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
|
|
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
| >I worry sometimes when they come crawling back to this NG without a
| > proper decontamination; that's all. I can see tiny radiation holes
| > appearing in this thread, & most of them are near Kelly's posts!
Looks
| > like she's covered in XP-dust, just as ppoatt once warned!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| >
| > "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
| > news:oNZxc.30333$My6.25656@fed1read05...
| > | Will the radiation ever effect the champion of the 9x code, PCR?
LOL
| > |
| > | "PCR" > wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | > You should HONOR the MVPees over there, who SUFFER the slings &
| > arrows
| > | > of outrageous XP-radiation JUST to help others, ppoatt!
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > PCR
| > | >
| > | > "ppoatt" > wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > | I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
| > | > | NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
| > | > | 98NG will seem like home.
| > | > | >-----Original Message-----
| > | > | >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
| > | > | >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
| > | > | >
| > | > | >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
| > | > | >
| > | > | >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
| > | > | >
| > | > | >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
| > | > | >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
| > | > | >.
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
Doug Kanter
June 11th 04, 03:35 AM
Instructions: Great idea - I deal with people at my company several times a
week who, after 10 years, still don't understand "Save" vs "Save As". And,
I'm talking about the exact same group of employees - no personnel changes
in that time period. But....some of the features of XP Pro are simply not
documented well enough to be of help to an average user in the middle of a
busy day. If you have to spend an hour on the web trying to find a concept
explained in English (instead of Engineerish), the product has filed. ALL
the help files aren't this bad, but it's clear that MS has fallen into
Mozilla syndrome to a great extent - allowing geeks to write for an audience
that's largely non-geek.
Previous posts: Good idea. Now...if only more users would provide subject
lines that lent themselves to searching. I love the ones which simply say
"Help!", or "Problem with XP". :-)
"PA Bear" > wrote in message
...
> On the other hand, "Did you read the instructions?" is quite often a valid
> question, Doug, just as is "Did you review previous posts here in the
> off-chance that someone else might have had the same problem?"
>
> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
> margin usually.
> --
> ~PA Bear
> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>
> Kelly wrote:
> > Thanks for the reply, Doug and I understand what you are saying.
However,
> > we are all not like that and I honestly can't think of one who is. I
> > generally work XP Customize and XP Gen. Drop in anytime. :o)
> >
> >
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> XP Pro contains features which, in the past, were typical of NT, things
> >> sys
> >> admins were accustomed to seeing, but not your average "How do I change
> >> the
> >> size of the mouse pointer" user. It's great that it has these features
> >> (security, networking perks, etc), but there's a problem. New computers
> >> are
> >> being sold with the OS, "average" users are buying those machines, but
> >> the documentation, in many cases, is not aimed at average users.
> >>
> >> In the XP newsgroups, I've seen quite a few responses which can be
> >> summarized as "Did you read the instructions?"
> >>
> >> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Why do you say that?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> All the Best,
> >>> Kelly
> >>>
> >>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> >>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
> >>>
> >>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> >>>
> >>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who believe
XP
> >>>> isn't for the peasants.
> >>>>
> >>>> "ppoatt" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> >>>>> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> >>>>> 98NG will seem like home.
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> >>>>>> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> >>>>>> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> >>>>>> .
>
Richard G. Harper
June 11th 04, 04:39 AM
"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
> > Yeah, but what good would they be now if we took them back?
>
> Hey now, wanna trade groups for one week? I can still work Win98 (I
think).
> <w>
Yeah, but I'm not sure I'm up to the traffic in WinXP. Win98 + networking
is enough for me most days. <G>
> >I'll bet not a one of them has booted with a floppy or run a
> > program from the command line since the switch ...
>
> Floppy, Richard? They still make those?
> I don't even have a "floppy drive" on my last three systems. :o)
Exactly my point! :-)
--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
Gary S. Terhune
June 11th 04, 04:44 AM
"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
> > Yeah, but what good would they be now if we took them back?
>
> Hey now, wanna trade groups for one week? I can still work Win98 (I
think).
> <w>
She larn'd at my knee, boys. And larn'd fast! Careful!
> >I'll bet not a one of them has booted with a floppy or run a
> > program from the command line since the switch ...
>
> Floppy, Richard? They still make those?
> I don't even have a "floppy drive" on my last three systems. :o)
I think for my next system, I'll have to try getting along without. Seems
like a lot of bother, though, making bootable CDs for a a couple hundred K
of stuff. Still, tehre's be room for another hard drive! And another fan,
too! (Me, I'm fanatical about fans.)
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
Gary S. Terhune
June 11th 04, 04:47 AM
Well, it figures it would a take a Cajun grandmother to handle baby gators,
don't it? Snake pits are child's play in comparison!
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah right, GAry.....ask how many actually work XP Gen?
>
> BTW, I did get your private e-mail and will respond soon. :o)
>
> --
> All the Best,
> Kelly
>
> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>
> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>
> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
> > groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
> >
> > 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts
hanging
> > from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
> >> margin usually.
> >> --
> >> ~PA Bear
> >> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
> >
>
>
Gary S. Terhune
June 11th 04, 04:52 AM
I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place they
provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta do a
Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> Instructions: Great idea - I deal with people at my company several times
a
> week who, after 10 years, still don't understand "Save" vs "Save As". And,
> I'm talking about the exact same group of employees - no personnel changes
> in that time period. But....some of the features of XP Pro are simply not
> documented well enough to be of help to an average user in the middle of a
> busy day. If you have to spend an hour on the web trying to find a concept
> explained in English (instead of Engineerish), the product has filed. ALL
> the help files aren't this bad, but it's clear that MS has fallen into
> Mozilla syndrome to a great extent - allowing geeks to write for an
audience
> that's largely non-geek.
>
> Previous posts: Good idea. Now...if only more users would provide subject
> lines that lent themselves to searching. I love the ones which simply say
> "Help!", or "Problem with XP". :-)
>
> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On the other hand, "Did you read the instructions?" is quite often a
valid
> > question, Doug, just as is "Did you review previous posts here in the
> > off-chance that someone else might have had the same problem?"
> >
> > BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
> > margin usually.
> > --
> > ~PA Bear
> > www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
> >
> > Kelly wrote:
> > > Thanks for the reply, Doug and I understand what you are saying.
> However,
> > > we are all not like that and I honestly can't think of one who is. I
> > > generally work XP Customize and XP Gen. Drop in anytime. :o)
> > >
> > >
> > > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >> XP Pro contains features which, in the past, were typical of NT,
things
> > >> sys
> > >> admins were accustomed to seeing, but not your average "How do I
change
> > >> the
> > >> size of the mouse pointer" user. It's great that it has these
features
> > >> (security, networking perks, etc), but there's a problem. New
computers
> > >> are
> > >> being sold with the OS, "average" users are buying those machines,
but
> > >> the documentation, in many cases, is not aimed at average users.
> > >>
> > >> In the XP newsgroups, I've seen quite a few responses which can be
> > >> summarized as "Did you read the instructions?"
> > >>
> > >> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >>> Why do you say that?
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> All the Best,
> > >>> Kelly
> > >>>
> > >>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> > >>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
> > >>>
> > >>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> > >>>
> > >>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > >>> ...
> > >>>> Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who
believe
> XP
> > >>>> isn't for the peasants.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "ppoatt" > wrote in message
> > >>>> ...
> > >>>>> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> > >>>>> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> > >>>>> 98NG will seem like home.
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> > >>>>>> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> > >>>>>> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> > >>>>>> .
> >
>
>
Bill in Co.
June 11th 04, 05:40 AM
Well actually those are pretty respectable questions, Kelly.
So are you telling me that most of the questions in the XP newsgroups, then,
are really pretty reasonable? If so, so much for my hunches. (I
figured there would be a LOT of REAAALLLY BASIC questions)
Kelly wrote:
> For starters, Bill:
>
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/top10faqs.htm
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
>
> --
> All the Best,
> Kelly
>
> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>
> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>
> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>
>
> "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yeah, but I wonder what kind of questions they've got to answer over
there
>> in the XP newsgroups.
>>
>> On second thought, maybe I don't. I bet I can guess:
>>
>> Let's see.... perhaps something like.... "my computer all of a sudden
>> died
>> today, when I pulled out the power plug. Can you help me? :-)
>>
>> (actually, I don't know that for a fact, but I'm just guessing!)
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
>>> groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
>>>
>>> 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts
>>> hanging
>>> from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS MVP for Win9x
>>>
>>> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to 1
>>>> margin usually.
>>>> --
>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
Gary S. Terhune
June 11th 04, 07:43 AM
No more so than here, where we are getting a lot of newbie questions from
people who are starting out on second-hand and hand-me-down 98
machines--received from people who've upgraded to XP and already have a fair
amount of "Basic Knowledge".
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> Well actually those are pretty respectable questions, Kelly.
>
> So are you telling me that most of the questions in the XP newsgroups,
then,
> are really pretty reasonable? If so, so much for my hunches. (I
> figured there would be a LOT of REAAALLLY BASIC questions)
>
> Kelly wrote:
> > For starters, Bill:
> >
> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/top10faqs.htm
> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
> >
> > --
> > All the Best,
> > Kelly
> >
> > Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> > 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
> >
> > Troubleshooting Windows XP
> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> >
> > Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
> >
> >
> > "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Yeah, but I wonder what kind of questions they've got to answer over
> there
> >> in the XP newsgroups.
> >>
> >> On second thought, maybe I don't. I bet I can guess:
> >>
> >> Let's see.... perhaps something like.... "my computer all of a sudden
> >> died
> >> today, when I pulled out the power plug. Can you help me? :-)
> >>
> >> (actually, I don't know that for a fact, but I'm just guessing!)
> >>
> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> >>> Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
> >>> groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
> >>>
> >>> 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts
> >>> hanging
> >>> from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary S. Terhune
> >>> MS MVP for Win9x
> >>>
> >>> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to
1
> >>>> margin usually.
> >>>> --
> >>>> ~PA Bear
> >>>> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>
>
Richard G. Harper
June 11th 04, 11:35 AM
Actually, the last two systems I built don't have floppy drives either. My
newest PC boots from any flash media/memory card or any USB device. THAT
comes in right handy, as I have a laptop hard drive in an external housing I
can hook up and boot the system from that instead of the hard drive.
--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> I think for my next system, I'll have to try getting along without. Seems
> like a lot of bother, though, making bootable CDs for a a couple hundred K
> of stuff. Still, tehre's be room for another hard drive! And another fan,
> too! (Me, I'm fanatical about fans.)
Doug Kanter
June 11th 04, 02:47 PM
In my previous post, I should've typed "product has FAILED", not "filed".
:-) My 15 yr old son was attempting to use my brain as I was writing.
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place they
> provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta do a
> Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Instructions: Great idea - I deal with people at my company several
times
> a
> > week who, after 10 years, still don't understand "Save" vs "Save As".
And,
> > I'm talking about the exact same group of employees - no personnel
changes
> > in that time period. But....some of the features of XP Pro are simply
not
> > documented well enough to be of help to an average user in the middle of
a
> > busy day. If you have to spend an hour on the web trying to find a
concept
> > explained in English (instead of Engineerish), the product has filed.
ALL
> > the help files aren't this bad, but it's clear that MS has fallen into
> > Mozilla syndrome to a great extent - allowing geeks to write for an
> audience
> > that's largely non-geek.
> >
> > Previous posts: Good idea. Now...if only more users would provide
subject
> > lines that lent themselves to searching. I love the ones which simply
say
> > "Help!", or "Problem with XP". :-)
> >
> > "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On the other hand, "Did you read the instructions?" is quite often a
> valid
> > > question, Doug, just as is "Did you review previous posts here in the
> > > off-chance that someone else might have had the same problem?"
> > >
> > > BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to
1
> > > margin usually.
> > > --
> > > ~PA Bear
> > > www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
> > >
> > > Kelly wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the reply, Doug and I understand what you are saying.
> > However,
> > > > we are all not like that and I honestly can't think of one who is.
I
> > > > generally work XP Customize and XP Gen. Drop in anytime. :o)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >> XP Pro contains features which, in the past, were typical of NT,
> things
> > > >> sys
> > > >> admins were accustomed to seeing, but not your average "How do I
> change
> > > >> the
> > > >> size of the mouse pointer" user. It's great that it has these
> features
> > > >> (security, networking perks, etc), but there's a problem. New
> computers
> > > >> are
> > > >> being sold with the OS, "average" users are buying those machines,
> but
> > > >> the documentation, in many cases, is not aimed at average users.
> > > >>
> > > >> In the XP newsgroups, I've seen quite a few responses which can be
> > > >> summarized as "Did you read the instructions?"
> > > >>
> > > >> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >>> Why do you say that?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> All the Best,
> > > >>> Kelly
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> > > >>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> > > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> > > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > >>> ...
> > > >>>> Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who
> believe
> > XP
> > > >>>> isn't for the peasants.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "ppoatt" > wrote in message
> > > >>>> ...
> > > >>>>> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> > > >>>>> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> > > >>>>> 98NG will seem like home.
> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> > > >>>>>> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> > > >>>>>> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> > > >>>>>> .
> > >
> >
> >
>
BoB
June 11th 04, 06:47 PM
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> wrote:
>I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place they
>provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta do a
>Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
BoB
Gary S. Terhune
June 11th 04, 06:53 PM
You're replying to *me* to apologize for a typo?!?
ROTFLMAO&PIMP!!!!!!!!!!!
Know what you mean, though. Something about getting older--I can't
multi-task brain activities and/or sensory input as well as I used to, <g>.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> In my previous post, I should've typed "product has FAILED", not "filed".
> :-) My 15 yr old son was attempting to use my brain as I was writing.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place
they
> > provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta do
a
> > Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Instructions: Great idea - I deal with people at my company several
> times
> > a
> > > week who, after 10 years, still don't understand "Save" vs "Save As".
> And,
> > > I'm talking about the exact same group of employees - no personnel
> changes
> > > in that time period. But....some of the features of XP Pro are simply
> not
> > > documented well enough to be of help to an average user in the middle
of
> a
> > > busy day. If you have to spend an hour on the web trying to find a
> concept
> > > explained in English (instead of Engineerish), the product has filed.
> ALL
> > > the help files aren't this bad, but it's clear that MS has fallen into
> > > Mozilla syndrome to a great extent - allowing geeks to write for an
> > audience
> > > that's largely non-geek.
> > >
> > > Previous posts: Good idea. Now...if only more users would provide
> subject
> > > lines that lent themselves to searching. I love the ones which simply
> say
> > > "Help!", or "Problem with XP". :-)
> > >
> > > "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On the other hand, "Did you read the instructions?" is quite often a
> > valid
> > > > question, Doug, just as is "Did you review previous posts here in
the
> > > > off-chance that someone else might have had the same problem?"
> > > >
> > > > BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5
to
> 1
> > > > margin usually.
> > > > --
> > > > ~PA Bear
> > > > www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
> > > >
> > > > Kelly wrote:
> > > > > Thanks for the reply, Doug and I understand what you are saying.
> > > However,
> > > > > we are all not like that and I honestly can't think of one who is.
> I
> > > > > generally work XP Customize and XP Gen. Drop in anytime. :o)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > >> XP Pro contains features which, in the past, were typical of NT,
> > things
> > > > >> sys
> > > > >> admins were accustomed to seeing, but not your average "How do I
> > change
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> size of the mouse pointer" user. It's great that it has these
> > features
> > > > >> (security, networking perks, etc), but there's a problem. New
> > computers
> > > > >> are
> > > > >> being sold with the OS, "average" users are buying those
machines,
> > but
> > > > >> the documentation, in many cases, is not aimed at average users.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In the XP newsgroups, I've seen quite a few responses which can
be
> > > > >> summarized as "Did you read the instructions?"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> > > > >> ...
> > > > >>> Why do you say that?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> All the Best,
> > > > >>> Kelly
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> > > > >>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> > > > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> > > > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > > >>> ...
> > > > >>>> Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who
> > believe
> > > XP
> > > > >>>> isn't for the peasants.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> "ppoatt" > wrote in message
> > > > >>>> ...
> > > > >>>>> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> > > > >>>>> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> > > > >>>>> 98NG will seem like home.
> > > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>>>> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> > > > >>>>>> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> > > > >>>>>> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> > > > >>>>>> .
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 11th 04, 07:06 PM
In all fairness, he was only asking me 12 things at once, AND shooting toy
arrows at the side of my head.
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> You're replying to *me* to apologize for a typo?!?
>
> ROTFLMAO&PIMP!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Know what you mean, though. Something about getting older--I can't
> multi-task brain activities and/or sensory input as well as I used to,
<g>.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In my previous post, I should've typed "product has FAILED", not
"filed".
> > :-) My 15 yr old son was attempting to use my brain as I was writing.
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place
> they
> > > provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta
do
> a
> > > Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > MS MVP for Win9x
> > >
> > > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Instructions: Great idea - I deal with people at my company several
> > times
> > > a
> > > > week who, after 10 years, still don't understand "Save" vs "Save
As".
> > And,
> > > > I'm talking about the exact same group of employees - no personnel
> > changes
> > > > in that time period. But....some of the features of XP Pro are
simply
> > not
> > > > documented well enough to be of help to an average user in the
middle
> of
> > a
> > > > busy day. If you have to spend an hour on the web trying to find a
> > concept
> > > > explained in English (instead of Engineerish), the product has
filed.
> > ALL
> > > > the help files aren't this bad, but it's clear that MS has fallen
into
> > > > Mozilla syndrome to a great extent - allowing geeks to write for an
> > > audience
> > > > that's largely non-geek.
> > > >
> > > > Previous posts: Good idea. Now...if only more users would provide
> > subject
> > > > lines that lent themselves to searching. I love the ones which
simply
> > say
> > > > "Help!", or "Problem with XP". :-)
> > > >
> > > > "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On the other hand, "Did you read the instructions?" is quite often
a
> > > valid
> > > > > question, Doug, just as is "Did you review previous posts here in
> the
> > > > > off-chance that someone else might have had the same problem?"
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5
> to
> > 1
> > > > > margin usually.
> > > > > --
> > > > > ~PA Bear
> > > > > www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
> > > > >
> > > > > Kelly wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks for the reply, Doug and I understand what you are saying.
> > > > However,
> > > > > > we are all not like that and I honestly can't think of one who
is.
> > I
> > > > > > generally work XP Customize and XP Gen. Drop in anytime. :o)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > >> XP Pro contains features which, in the past, were typical of
NT,
> > > things
> > > > > >> sys
> > > > > >> admins were accustomed to seeing, but not your average "How do
I
> > > change
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> size of the mouse pointer" user. It's great that it has these
> > > features
> > > > > >> (security, networking perks, etc), but there's a problem. New
> > > computers
> > > > > >> are
> > > > > >> being sold with the OS, "average" users are buying those
> machines,
> > > but
> > > > > >> the documentation, in many cases, is not aimed at average
users.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> In the XP newsgroups, I've seen quite a few responses which can
> be
> > > > > >> summarized as "Did you read the instructions?"
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> > > > > >> ...
> > > > > >>> Why do you say that?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> --
> > > > > >>> All the Best,
> > > > > >>> Kelly
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> > > > > >>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> > > > > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> > > > > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > > > >>> ...
> > > > > >>>> Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins who
> > > believe
> > > > XP
> > > > > >>>> isn't for the peasants.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> "ppoatt" > wrote in
message
> > > > > >>>> ...
> > > > > >>>>> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> > > > > >>>>> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> > > > > >>>>> 98NG will seem like home.
> > > > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >>>>>> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> > > > > >>>>>> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> > > > > >>>>>> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> > > > > >>>>>> .
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Gary S. Terhune
June 11th 04, 07:07 PM
Well, actually there are similar shortcuts in OE--Ctrl-G is a "Reply Group",
Ctrl-S saves it, or Alt-F-C closes it. But I am *so* in the habit of not
opening a post other than in Preview until I actually have something to
write--preferring to research first--that copying from the Subject line, no
matter what method I might use (and Ctrl-F3 to see the source is actually
easiest, I find), it's an interruption to the "flow".
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"BoB" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > wrote:
>
> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place
they
> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta do
a
> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
>
> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
>
> BoB
>
Doug Kanter
June 11th 04, 07:08 PM
"BoB" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > wrote:
>
> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place
they
> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta do
a
> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
>
> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
>
> BoB
>
Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I ask
someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA being
questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly, allegedly
happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same way as
OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
Gary S. Terhune
June 11th 04, 08:55 PM
<G>
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> In all fairness, he was only asking me 12 things at once, AND shooting toy
> arrows at the side of my head.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You're replying to *me* to apologize for a typo?!?
> >
> > ROTFLMAO&PIMP!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Know what you mean, though. Something about getting older--I can't
> > multi-task brain activities and/or sensory input as well as I used to,
> <g>.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In my previous post, I should've typed "product has FAILED", not
> "filed".
> > > :-) My 15 yr old son was attempting to use my brain as I was writing.
> > >
> > > "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only*
place
> > they
> > > > provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things!
Gotta
> do
> > a
> > > > Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > > MS MVP for Win9x
> > > >
> > > > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Instructions: Great idea - I deal with people at my company
several
> > > times
> > > > a
> > > > > week who, after 10 years, still don't understand "Save" vs "Save
> As".
> > > And,
> > > > > I'm talking about the exact same group of employees - no personnel
> > > changes
> > > > > in that time period. But....some of the features of XP Pro are
> simply
> > > not
> > > > > documented well enough to be of help to an average user in the
> middle
> > of
> > > a
> > > > > busy day. If you have to spend an hour on the web trying to find a
> > > concept
> > > > > explained in English (instead of Engineerish), the product has
> filed.
> > > ALL
> > > > > the help files aren't this bad, but it's clear that MS has fallen
> into
> > > > > Mozilla syndrome to a great extent - allowing geeks to write for
an
> > > > audience
> > > > > that's largely non-geek.
> > > > >
> > > > > Previous posts: Good idea. Now...if only more users would provide
> > > subject
> > > > > lines that lent themselves to searching. I love the ones which
> simply
> > > say
> > > > > "Help!", or "Problem with XP". :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > On the other hand, "Did you read the instructions?" is quite
often
> a
> > > > valid
> > > > > > question, Doug, just as is "Did you review previous posts here
in
> > the
> > > > > > off-chance that someone else might have had the same problem?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a
5
> > to
> > > 1
> > > > > > margin usually.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ~PA Bear
> > > > > > www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kelly wrote:
> > > > > > > Thanks for the reply, Doug and I understand what you are
saying.
> > > > > However,
> > > > > > > we are all not like that and I honestly can't think of one who
> is.
> > > I
> > > > > > > generally work XP Customize and XP Gen. Drop in anytime. :o)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >> XP Pro contains features which, in the past, were typical of
> NT,
> > > > things
> > > > > > >> sys
> > > > > > >> admins were accustomed to seeing, but not your average "How
do
> I
> > > > change
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> size of the mouse pointer" user. It's great that it has these
> > > > features
> > > > > > >> (security, networking perks, etc), but there's a problem. New
> > > > computers
> > > > > > >> are
> > > > > > >> being sold with the OS, "average" users are buying those
> > machines,
> > > > but
> > > > > > >> the documentation, in many cases, is not aimed at average
> users.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> In the XP newsgroups, I've seen quite a few responses which
can
> > be
> > > > > > >> summarized as "Did you read the instructions?"
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> > > > > > >> ...
> > > > > > >>> Why do you say that?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> --
> > > > > > >>> All the Best,
> > > > > > >>> Kelly
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> > > > > > >>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> > > > > > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> > > > > > >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > > > > > >>> ...
> > > > > > >>>> Agreed. The "helpers" there seem to be mostly sys admins
who
> > > > believe
> > > > > XP
> > > > > > >>>> isn't for the peasants.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> "ppoatt" > wrote in
> message
> > > > > > >>>> ...
> > > > > > >>>>> I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> > > > > > >>>>> NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> > > > > > >>>>> 98NG will seem like home.
> > > > > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >>>>>> The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> > > > > > >>>>>> most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> > > > > > >>>>>> all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> > > > > > >>>>>> .
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
ArtWilder
June 11th 04, 09:31 PM
I never even heard of Agent. Who makes it and does it cost any money? Why
do some people like it so much more than Outlook Express? Thanks in advance
for your reply.
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> "BoB" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place
> they
> > >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta
do
> a
> > >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> >
> > Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> > up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> > data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> > 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> >
> > BoB
> >
>
> Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I ask
> someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA
being
> questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
allegedly
> happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same way
as
> OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 11th 04, 09:51 PM
The company's name is Forte: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php
Last time I checked, there was a free version, and a fancier one that costs
money. I believe people like it more than OE because it's not made by
Microsoft. It's probably a good piece of software, but as I said, I've never
gotten a straight answer about whether it handles multiple email accounts in
the same way OE does.
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
news:6Eoyc.37699$My6.1356@fed1read05...
> I never even heard of Agent. Who makes it and does it cost any money?
Why
> do some people like it so much more than Outlook Express? Thanks in
advance
> for your reply.
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place
> > they
> > > >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta
> do
> > a
> > > >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > >
> > > Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> > > up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> > > data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> > > 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > >
> > > BoB
> > >
> >
> > Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I ask
> > someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA
> being
> > questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
> allegedly
> > happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same
way
> as
> > OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> >
> >
>
>
PCR
June 11th 04, 10:45 PM
(1) The CIA is after you!
(2) Here's another thing for defectors...
"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
...
....snip
|
| www.eudora.com
|
....snip
|
| See http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/whyeud.htm and
| http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/empath.htm for more on this stuff.
|
....snip
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
| The company's name is Forte: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php
|
| Last time I checked, there was a free version, and a fancier one that
costs
| money. I believe people like it more than OE because it's not made by
| Microsoft. It's probably a good piece of software, but as I said, I've
never
| gotten a straight answer about whether it handles multiple email
accounts in
| the same way OE does.
|
|
| "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
| news:6Eoyc.37699$My6.1356@fed1read05...
| > I never even heard of Agent. Who makes it and does it cost any
money?
| Why
| > do some people like it so much more than Outlook Express? Thanks in
| advance
| > for your reply.
| >
| > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > > "BoB" > wrote in message
| > > ...
| > > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
| > > > > wrote:
| > > >
| > > > >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only*
place
| > > they
| > > > >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things!
Gotta
| > do
| > > a
| > > > >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
| > > >
| > > > Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
| > > > up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All
header
| > > > data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses
the
| > > > 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
| > > >
| > > > BoB
| > > >
| > >
| > > Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever
I ask
| > > someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the
CIA
| > being
| > > questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
| > allegedly
| > > happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the
same
| way
| > as
| > > OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
PA Bear
June 12th 04, 01:23 AM
OE Help>About>Using Outlook Express keyboard shortcuts
--
HTH - Please Reply to This Thread
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE), AH-VSOP
AumHa Forums
http://forum.aumha.org
What You Should Know About Spyware
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/twc/privacy/spyware.mspx
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Well, actually there are similar shortcuts in OE--Ctrl-G is a "Reply
> Group", Ctrl-S saves it, or Alt-F-C closes it. But I am *so* in the habit
> of not opening a post other than in Preview until I actually have
> something to write--preferring to research first--that copying from the
> Subject line, no matter what method I might use (and Ctrl-F3 to see the
> source is actually easiest, I find), it's an interruption to the "flow".
Kelly
June 12th 04, 01:29 AM
<LOL> Guess so! :o)
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Well, it figures it would a take a Cajun grandmother to handle baby
> gators,
> don't it? Snake pits are child's play in comparison!
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yeah right, GAry.....ask how many actually work XP Gen?
>>
>> BTW, I did get your private e-mail and will respond soon. :o)
>>
>> --
>> All the Best,
>> Kelly
>>
>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>>
>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>>
>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>>
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
>> > groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
>> >
>> > 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts
> hanging
>> > from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gary S. Terhune
>> > MS MVP for Win9x
>> >
>> > "PA Bear" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to
>> >> 1
>> >> margin usually.
>> >> --
>> >> ~PA Bear
>> >> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>> >
>>
>>
>
Kelly
June 12th 04, 01:32 AM
Yeah, pretty much. XP Customize has more of the basic questions, I find.
:o)
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> Well actually those are pretty respectable questions, Kelly.
>
> So are you telling me that most of the questions in the XP newsgroups,
> then,
> are really pretty reasonable? If so, so much for my hunches. (I
> figured there would be a LOT of REAAALLLY BASIC questions)
>
> Kelly wrote:
>> For starters, Bill:
>>
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/top10faqs.htm
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
>>
>> --
>> All the Best,
>> Kelly
>>
>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>>
>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>>
>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>>
>>
>> "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Yeah, but I wonder what kind of questions they've got to answer over
> there
>>> in the XP newsgroups.
>>>
>>> On second thought, maybe I don't. I bet I can guess:
>>>
>>> Let's see.... perhaps something like.... "my computer all of a sudden
>>> died
>>> today, when I pulled out the power plug. Can you help me? :-)
>>>
>>> (actually, I don't know that for a fact, but I'm just guessing!)
>>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> Figured it was more like 20 to 1! At least when talking about *all* XP
>>>> groups compared to *all* 9x groups.
>>>>
>>>> 5 to 1? Hey, you guys got it made in the shade with all the XPerts
>>>> hanging
>>>> from the branches over there. Send a few back our way!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS MVP for Win9x
>>>>
>>>> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW posts to WinXP General outnumber posts to Win98 General by a 5 to
>>>>> 1
>>>>> margin usually.
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>>> www.kelly/depresses.fish.oscar
>
>
Kelly
June 12th 04, 01:33 AM
I hear you, Richard. I started with six XP groups and am down to only two.
Just those two take up to four hours. As for the floppy drive, I didn't
really have a choice on my last two systems (MCE 2004 and Tablet), but the
other I did. :o)
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
...
> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > Yeah, but what good would they be now if we took them back?
>>
>> Hey now, wanna trade groups for one week? I can still work Win98 (I
> think).
>> <w>
>
> Yeah, but I'm not sure I'm up to the traffic in WinXP. Win98 + networking
> is enough for me most days. <G>
>
>> >I'll bet not a one of them has booted with a floppy or run a
>> > program from the command line since the switch ...
>>
>> Floppy, Richard? They still make those?
>> I don't even have a "floppy drive" on my last three systems. :o)
>
> Exactly my point! :-)
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
>
Kelly
June 12th 04, 01:34 AM
Ah, ok.....will see what I can do. :o) As for GAry, he learnt me, ya know.
<w>
"She larn'd at my knee, boys. And larn'd fast! Careful!"
--
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> It means you'd better switch NGs with Terhune, at least until you stop
> glowing!
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> ...
> | >Looks like she's covered in XP-dust, just as ppoatt once warned!
> |
> | Hmmm.....do I want to know what that means? :o)
> |
> | --
> | All the Best,
> | Kelly
> |
> | Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> | 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
> |
> | Troubleshooting Windows XP
> | http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> |
> | Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> | http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
> |
> |
> | "PCR" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | >I worry sometimes when they come crawling back to this NG without a
> | > proper decontamination; that's all. I can see tiny radiation holes
> | > appearing in this thread, & most of them are near Kelly's posts!
> Looks
> | > like she's covered in XP-dust, just as ppoatt once warned!
> | >
> | >
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | >
> | > "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> | > news:oNZxc.30333$My6.25656@fed1read05...
> | > | Will the radiation ever effect the champion of the 9x code, PCR?
> LOL
> | > |
> | > | "PCR" > wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | > You should HONOR the MVPees over there, who SUFFER the slings &
> | > arrows
> | > | > of outrageous XP-radiation JUST to help others, ppoatt!
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > | > should things get worse after this,
> | > | > PCR
> | > | >
> | > | > "ppoatt" > wrote in message
> | > | > ...
> | > | > | I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
> | > | > | NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
> | > | > | 98NG will seem like home.
> | > | > | >-----Original Message-----
> | > | > | >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
> | > | > | >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
> | > | > | >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
> | > | > | >.
> | > | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
ArtWilder
June 12th 04, 02:22 AM
One thing I like about floppies is that if they get their surface scratched
by items like paperclips in a backpack they are not ruined like cds
sometimes are.
"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
> I hear you, Richard. I started with six XP groups and am down to only
two.
> Just those two take up to four hours. As for the floppy drive, I didn't
> really have a choice on my last two systems (MCE 2004 and Tablet), but the
> other I did. :o)
>
> --
> All the Best,
> Kelly
>
> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>
> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>
> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>
>
> "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Kelly" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> > Yeah, but what good would they be now if we took them back?
> >>
> >> Hey now, wanna trade groups for one week? I can still work Win98 (I
> > think).
> >> <w>
> >
> > Yeah, but I'm not sure I'm up to the traffic in WinXP. Win98 +
networking
> > is enough for me most days. <G>
> >
> >> >I'll bet not a one of them has booted with a floppy or run a
> >> > program from the command line since the switch ...
> >>
> >> Floppy, Richard? They still make those?
> >> I don't even have a "floppy drive" on my last three systems. :o)
> >
> > Exactly my point! :-)
> >
> > --
> > Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
> > * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> > * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
> > * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> >
> >
>
>
ArtWilder
June 12th 04, 02:24 AM
Thanks Doug.
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> The company's name is Forte: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php
>
> Last time I checked, there was a free version, and a fancier one that
costs
> money. I believe people like it more than OE because it's not made by
> Microsoft. It's probably a good piece of software, but as I said, I've
never
> gotten a straight answer about whether it handles multiple email accounts
in
> the same way OE does.
>
>
> "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> news:6Eoyc.37699$My6.1356@fed1read05...
> > I never even heard of Agent. Who makes it and does it cost any money?
> Why
> > do some people like it so much more than Outlook Express? Thanks in
> advance
> > for your reply.
> >
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only*
place
> > > they
> > > > >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things!
Gotta
> > do
> > > a
> > > > >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > >
> > > > Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> > > > up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> > > > data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> > > > 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > >
> > > > BoB
> > > >
> > >
> > > Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I
ask
> > > someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA
> > being
> > > questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
> > allegedly
> > > happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same
> way
> > as
> > > OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Bill in Co.
June 12th 04, 05:53 AM
I think you ought to stick with floppies, then. I'll use the CDs.
LOL.
Actually, I still use a zip drive (the most often) to transfer files between
computers.
ArtWilder wrote:
> One thing I like about floppies is that if they get their surface
scratched
> by items like paperclips in a backpack they are not ruined like cds
> sometimes are.
>
> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I hear you, Richard. I started with six XP groups and am down to only
two.
>> Just those two take up to four hours. As for the floppy drive, I didn't
>> really have a choice on my last two systems (MCE 2004 and Tablet), but
the
>> other I did. :o)
>>
>> --
>> All the Best,
>> Kelly
>>
>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>>
>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>>
>> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>>
>>
>> "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Kelly" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>> Yeah, but what good would they be now if we took them back?
>>>>
>>>> Hey now, wanna trade groups for one week? I can still work Win98 (I
>>>> think). <w>
>>>
>>> Yeah, but I'm not sure I'm up to the traffic in WinXP. Win98 +
networking
>>> is enough for me most days. <G>
>>>
>>>>> I'll bet not a one of them has booted with a floppy or run a
>>>>> program from the command line since the switch ...
>>>>
>>>> Floppy, Richard? They still make those?
>>>> I don't even have a "floppy drive" on my last three systems. :o)
>>>
>>> Exactly my point! :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
>>> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
>>> * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
>>> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
ArtWilder
June 12th 04, 01:16 PM
Do you remember the advertisements for the 120 mb SuperDisk that also
supported regular floppies? I guess these never really caught on because of
Zip Disks and then cd burners.
"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> I think you ought to stick with floppies, then. I'll use the CDs.
> LOL.
> Actually, I still use a zip drive (the most often) to transfer files
between
> computers.
>
> ArtWilder wrote:
> > One thing I like about floppies is that if they get their surface
> scratched
> > by items like paperclips in a backpack they are not ruined like cds
> > sometimes are.
> >
> > "Kelly" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> I hear you, Richard. I started with six XP groups and am down to only
> two.
> >> Just those two take up to four hours. As for the floppy drive, I
didn't
> >> really have a choice on my last two systems (MCE 2004 and Tablet), but
> the
> >> other I did. :o)
> >>
> >> --
> >> All the Best,
> >> Kelly
> >>
> >> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> >> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
> >>
> >> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
> >>
> >> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
> >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> "Kelly" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>>> Yeah, but what good would they be now if we took them back?
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey now, wanna trade groups for one week? I can still work Win98 (I
> >>>> think). <w>
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, but I'm not sure I'm up to the traffic in WinXP. Win98 +
> networking
> >>> is enough for me most days. <G>
> >>>
> >>>>> I'll bet not a one of them has booted with a floppy or run a
> >>>>> program from the command line since the switch ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Floppy, Richard? They still make those?
> >>>> I don't even have a "floppy drive" on my last three systems. :o)
> >>>
> >>> Exactly my point! :-)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
> >>> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> >>> * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
> >>> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
cquirke (MVP Win9x)
June 12th 04, 02:11 PM
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:01:55 -0700, "ArtWilder" >
>Are you implying that you never make a mistake when it comes to computers?
Nope - the tag works a la Hoffstadter (sp?) i.e. relf-referential...
it tells you to trust while exhibiting reasons not to...
>"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
>> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
>> Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
>> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
....the typo's intentional :-)
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Tip Of The Day:
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
PCR
June 12th 04, 03:20 PM
Did you ever tell him what a "'Winny' Award" is?
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"Kelly" > wrote in message
...
| Ah, ok.....will see what I can do. :o) As for GAry, he learnt me, ya
know.
| <w>
|
| "She larn'd at my knee, boys. And larn'd fast! Careful!"
|
| --
| All the Best,
| Kelly
|
| Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
| 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
|
| Troubleshooting Windows XP
| http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
|
| Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
| http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
|
|
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
| > It means you'd better switch NGs with Terhune, at least until you
stop
| > glowing!
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| >
| > "Kelly" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > | >Looks like she's covered in XP-dust, just as ppoatt once warned!
| > |
| > | Hmmm.....do I want to know what that means? :o)
| > |
| > | --
| > | All the Best,
| > | Kelly
| > |
| > | Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
| > | 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
| > |
| > | Troubleshooting Windows XP
| > | http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
| > |
| > | Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
| > | http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
| > |
| > |
| > | "PCR" > wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >I worry sometimes when they come crawling back to this NG without
a
| > | > proper decontamination; that's all. I can see tiny radiation
holes
| > | > appearing in this thread, & most of them are near Kelly's posts!
| > Looks
| > | > like she's covered in XP-dust, just as ppoatt once warned!
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > PCR
| > | >
| > | > "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
| > | > news:oNZxc.30333$My6.25656@fed1read05...
| > | > | Will the radiation ever effect the champion of the 9x code,
PCR?
| > LOL
| > | > |
| > | > | "PCR" > wrote in message
| > | > | ...
| > | > | > You should HONOR the MVPees over there, who SUFFER the
slings &
| > | > arrows
| > | > | > of outrageous XP-radiation JUST to help others, ppoatt!
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > | > PCR
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "ppoatt" > wrote in
message
| > | > | > ...
| > | > | > | I will only say at this point...Check out the XP General
| > | > | > | NG. Spend a couple of days ,there, in the ozone layer.
| > | > | > | 98NG will seem like home.
| > | > | > | >-----Original Message-----
| > | > | > | >The mvpee with the biggest superiority complex and the
| > | > | > | >most smug is....Gary S Terhune
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >The rudest and most abrupt mvpee is....Alan Edwards
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >The most overated and useless mvpee is....PA Bear
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >You might be "awarded" mvpees and have knowledge but you
| > | > | > | >all could and should work on your manners now and again!
| > | > | > | >.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
ArtWilder
June 12th 04, 07:17 PM
Gotcha point, cquirke! Thanks!
"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:01:55 -0700, "ArtWilder" >
>
> >Are you implying that you never make a mistake when it comes to
computers?
>
> Nope - the tag works a la Hoffstadter (sp?) i.e. relf-referential...
> it tells you to trust while exhibiting reasons not to...
>
> >"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
>
> >> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> >> Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
> >> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
>
> ...the typo's intentional :-)
>
>
>
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> Tip Of The Day:
> To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
BoB
June 12th 04, 10:21 PM
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> wrote:
>"BoB" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place
>they
>> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta do
>a
>> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
>>
>> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
>> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
>> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
>> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
>>
>> BoB
>>
>
>Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I ask
>someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA being
>questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly, allegedly
>happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same way as
>OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
is being checked against all possible configurations by present users.
V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses the
same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini file.
I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when the
spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a couple
people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them that
would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use the
folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly because
it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
and not the registry.
For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
minimize vulnerability.
My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up multiple
accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best I
can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
BoB
ArtWilder
June 13th 04, 02:52 AM
Thanks for explaining about agent. :>
"BoB" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > wrote:
>
> >"BoB" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place
> >they
> >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta
do
> >a
> >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> >>
> >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> >>
> >> BoB
> >>
> >
> >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I ask
> >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA
being
> >questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
allegedly
> >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same way
as
> >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
>
> Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> is being checked against all possible configurations by present users.
> V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
> accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
> data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses the
> same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini file.
>
> I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
> occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
> for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when the
> spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a couple
> people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
>
> Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
> would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them that
> would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use the
> folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
>
> I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly because
> it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
> and not the registry.
>
> For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
> I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
>
> In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> minimize vulnerability.
>
> My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
> does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up multiple
> accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best I
> can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
>
> We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
>
> BoB
>
jt3
June 13th 04, 06:41 AM
Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
Thanks,
Joe
"BoB" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > wrote:
>
> >"BoB" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only* place
> >they
> >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things! Gotta
do
> >a
> >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> >>
> >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> >>
> >> BoB
> >>
> >
> >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I ask
> >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA
being
> >questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
allegedly
> >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same way
as
> >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
>
> Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> is being checked against all possible configurations by present users.
> V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
> accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
> data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses the
> same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini file.
>
> I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
> occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
> for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when the
> spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a couple
> people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
>
> Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
> would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them that
> would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use the
> folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
>
> I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly because
> it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
> and not the registry.
>
> For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
> I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
>
> In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> minimize vulnerability.
>
> My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
> does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up multiple
> accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best I
> can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
>
> We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
>
> BoB
>
Doug Kanter
June 13th 04, 02:20 PM
> In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> minimize vulnerability.
If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these programs, and
charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim of Open
Sauce programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become a
permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
Gary S. Terhune
June 13th 04, 02:37 PM
Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with Firebird in
his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains on the
machine and is kept up to date.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"jt3" > wrote in message
...
> Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
> "BoB" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only*
place
> > >they
> > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things!
Gotta
> do
> > >a
> > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > >>
> > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > >>
> > >> BoB
> > >>
> > >
> > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I
ask
> > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA
> being
> > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
> allegedly
> > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same
way
> as
> > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> >
> > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > is being checked against all possible configurations by present users.
> > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
> > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
> > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses the
> > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini file.
> >
> > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
> > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
> > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when the
> > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a couple
> > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> >
> > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
> > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them that
> > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use the
> > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> >
> > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly because
> > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
> > and not the registry.
> >
> > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
> > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> >
> > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> > minimize vulnerability.
> >
> > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
> > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up multiple
> > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best I
> > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> >
> > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> >
> > BoB
> >
>
>
BoB
June 13th 04, 10:54 PM
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:41:36 -0700, "jt3" > wrote:
>Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe
I assume you asking in reference to:
> In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> minimize vulnerability.
No, IE is kept up-to-date with 'critical' updates and I use it
for a couple sites that I need to connect with which require IE.
I also use 'my' IE to test MS updates before installing them on
my wife's computer since she actually uses IE6/OE6.
OE and Explorer cause me no problems since I no longer use them.
BoB
BoB
June 13th 04, 10:54 PM
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:52:01 -0700, "ArtWilder" >
wrote:
>Thanks for explaining about agent. :>
Anytime, Art.
BoB
ArtWilder
June 14th 04, 01:25 AM
Have you tried Mozilla FireFox yet, Gary? I am one of those stubborn people
who have yet to try it. Everybody seems to think it is great and even PC
WORLD wrote an article about it fairly recently.
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with Firebird
in
> his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains on
the
> machine and is kept up to date.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "jt3" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
> > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only*
> place
> > > >they
> > > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things!
> Gotta
> > do
> > > >a
> > > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > >>
> > > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> > > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> > > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> > > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > >>
> > > >> BoB
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I
> ask
> > > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA
> > being
> > > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
> > allegedly
> > > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same
> way
> > as
> > > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > >
> > > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > > is being checked against all possible configurations by present users.
> > > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
> > > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
> > > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses the
> > > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini file.
> > >
> > > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
> > > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
> > > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when the
> > > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a couple
> > > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> > >
> > > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
> > > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them that
> > > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use the
> > > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> > >
> > > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly because
> > > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
> > > and not the registry.
> > >
> > > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
> > > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> > >
> > > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> > > minimize vulnerability.
> > >
> > > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
> > > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up multiple
> > > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best I
> > > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> > >
> > > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> > >
> > > BoB
> > >
> >
> >
>
ArtWilder
June 14th 04, 01:28 AM
Victim --- hmm and many people want old Windows versions to become open
source --- a good idea??? Who knows but it will probably never happen -- at
least as long as Microsoft is around -- :>
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> > minimize vulnerability.
>
> If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these programs, and
> charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim of Open
> Sauce programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become a
> permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
>
>
jt3
June 14th 04, 03:25 AM
I realize that I posted my reply to the wrong post in this thread--I meant
my question to go to Bill in Co, not BoB. Bill in Co is the one who has
Agent installed and therefore might possibly have removed IE, though I
certainly realize that it isn't necessary to do so. The question was meant
to ask for information only, not to incite irritation as to whether or not I
was capable of reading the post.
Thank you
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with Firebird
in
> his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains on
the
> machine and is kept up to date.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "jt3" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
> > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only*
> place
> > > >they
> > > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things!
> Gotta
> > do
> > > >a
> > > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > >>
> > > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> > > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
> > > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
> > > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > >>
> > > >> BoB
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I
> ask
> > > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA
> > being
> > > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
> > allegedly
> > > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the same
> way
> > as
> > > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > >
> > > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > > is being checked against all possible configurations by present users.
> > > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
> > > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
> > > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses the
> > > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini file.
> > >
> > > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
> > > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
> > > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when the
> > > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a couple
> > > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> > >
> > > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
> > > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them that
> > > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use the
> > > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> > >
> > > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly because
> > > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
> > > and not the registry.
> > >
> > > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
> > > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> > >
> > > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> > > minimize vulnerability.
> > >
> > > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
> > > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up multiple
> > > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best I
> > > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> > >
> > > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> > >
> > > BoB
> > >
> >
> >
>
jt3
June 14th 04, 03:28 AM
Thank you very much for the information and your courteous reply.
Joe
"BoB" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:41:36 -0700, "jt3" > wrote:
>
> >Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Joe
>
> I assume you asking in reference to:
>
> > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> > minimize vulnerability.
>
> No, IE is kept up-to-date with 'critical' updates and I use it
> for a couple sites that I need to connect with which require IE.
> I also use 'my' IE to test MS updates before installing them on
> my wife's computer since she actually uses IE6/OE6.
>
> OE and Explorer cause me no problems since I no longer use them.
>
> BoB
>
Bill in Co.
June 14th 04, 04:45 AM
I don't have any "agents" installed - at least not to my knowledge. You
must be thinking of someone else.
jt3 wrote:
> I realize that I posted my reply to the wrong post in this thread--I meant
> my question to go to Bill in Co, not BoB. Bill in Co is the one who has
> Agent installed and therefore might possibly have removed IE, though I
> certainly realize that it isn't necessary to do so. The question was
meant
> to ask for information only, not to incite irritation as to whether or not
I
> was capable of reading the post.
>
> Thank you
> Joe
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with Firebird
in
>> his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains on
the
>> machine and is kept up to date.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS MVP for Win9x
>>
>> "jt3" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joe
>>> "BoB" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "BoB" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only*
place
>>>>>>> they provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things!
>> Gotta
>>> do
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
>>>>>> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All header
>>>>>> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses the
>>>>>> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BoB
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever I
ask
>>>>> someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the CIA
>>>>> being questioned about an operation which may or may not have
covertly,
>>>>> allegedly happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in
>>>>> the same way as OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO
it.
>>>>
>>>> Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
>>>> needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
>>>> is being checked against all possible configurations by present users.
>>>> V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
>>>> accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
>>>> data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses the
>>>> same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini file.
>>>>
>>>> I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
>>>> to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
>>>> occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
>>>> friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
>>>> for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when the
>>>> spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a couple
>>>> people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
>>>> would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
>>>> plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them that
>>>> would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use the
>>>> folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
>>>>
>>>> I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly because
>>>> it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
>>>> and not the registry.
>>>>
>>>> For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
>>>> Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
>>>> I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
>>>>
>>>> In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
>>>> minimize vulnerability.
>>>>
>>>> My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
>>>> does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up multiple
>>>> accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best I
>>>> can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
>>>>
>>>> We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
>>>>
>>>> BoB
PA Bear
June 14th 04, 05:52 AM
Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
Doug Kanter wrote:
> If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these programs, and
> charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim of Open
> *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become a
> permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
Gary S. Terhune
June 14th 04, 06:03 AM
No time, Art. And while it's not the *last* source I would go to for advice
on things computer, PC World ranks quite close to last, <s>.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
news:9g6zc.63586$My6.51979@fed1read05...
> Have you tried Mozilla FireFox yet, Gary? I am one of those stubborn
people
> who have yet to try it. Everybody seems to think it is great and even PC
> WORLD wrote an article about it fairly recently.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with Firebird
> in
> > his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains on
> the
> > machine and is kept up to date.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "jt3" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joe
> > > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only*
> > place
> > > > >they
> > > > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things!
> > Gotta
> > > do
> > > > >a
> > > > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> > > > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All
header
> > > > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses
the
> > > > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> BoB
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever
I
> > ask
> > > > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the
CIA
> > > being
> > > > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
> > > allegedly
> > > > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the
same
> > way
> > > as
> > > > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > > >
> > > > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > > > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > > > is being checked against all possible configurations by present
users.
> > > > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
> > > > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
> > > > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses the
> > > > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini
file.
> > > >
> > > > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > > > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
> > > > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > > > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
> > > > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when the
> > > > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a couple
> > > > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
> > > > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > > > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them that
> > > > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use the
> > > > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> > > >
> > > > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly because
> > > > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
> > > > and not the registry.
> > > >
> > > > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > > > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
> > > > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> > > >
> > > > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> > > > minimize vulnerability.
> > > >
> > > > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
> > > > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up multiple
> > > > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best I
> > > > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> > > >
> > > > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> > > >
> > > > BoB
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Gary S. Terhune
June 14th 04, 06:06 AM
Didn't mean to display irritation--honestly didn't feel any. Just suggested
that a re-read would make things more clear.
But why would installing Agent, and email/news client, suggest the removal
of IE? OE, I can see removing if not in use, and it isn't hard to remove.
Doesn't even cause serious problems like the removal of IE does.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"jt3" > wrote in message
...
> I realize that I posted my reply to the wrong post in this thread--I meant
> my question to go to Bill in Co, not BoB. Bill in Co is the one who has
> Agent installed and therefore might possibly have removed IE, though I
> certainly realize that it isn't necessary to do so. The question was
meant
> to ask for information only, not to incite irritation as to whether or not
I
> was capable of reading the post.
>
> Thank you
> Joe
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with Firebird
> in
> > his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains on
> the
> > machine and is kept up to date.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "jt3" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joe
> > > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the *only*
> > place
> > > > >they
> > > > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned things!
> > Gotta
> > > do
> > > > >a
> > > > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key brings
> > > > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All
header
> > > > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses
the
> > > > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> BoB
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to. Whenever
I
> > ask
> > > > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the
CIA
> > > being
> > > > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
> > > allegedly
> > > > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the
same
> > way
> > > as
> > > > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > > >
> > > > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > > > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > > > is being checked against all possible configurations by present
users.
> > > > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
> > > > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
> > > > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses the
> > > > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini
file.
> > > >
> > > > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > > > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
> > > > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > > > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
> > > > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when the
> > > > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a couple
> > > > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
> > > > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > > > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them that
> > > > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use the
> > > > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> > > >
> > > > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly because
> > > > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
> > > > and not the registry.
> > > >
> > > > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > > > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
> > > > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> > > >
> > > > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> > > > minimize vulnerability.
> > > >
> > > > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
> > > > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up multiple
> > > > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best I
> > > > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> > > >
> > > > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> > > >
> > > > BoB
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 14th 04, 02:03 PM
I know it's "source", but in discussions of Netscape/Mozilla, I call it
"sauce", the slang term for booze. Open Sauce, drink plenty, sit down and
start coding. Result: Ruining the bookmark search function which worked like
a charm until NS version 4.7x.
"PA Bear" > wrote in message
...
> Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
> > If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these programs,
and
> > charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim of
Open
> > *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become a
> > permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
>
ArtWilder
June 14th 04, 02:57 PM
Okay, what ranks first or at least high up in your opinion?
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> No time, Art. And while it's not the *last* source I would go to for
advice
> on things computer, PC World ranks quite close to last, <s>.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> news:9g6zc.63586$My6.51979@fed1read05...
> > Have you tried Mozilla FireFox yet, Gary? I am one of those stubborn
> people
> > who have yet to try it. Everybody seems to think it is great and even
PC
> > WORLD wrote an article about it fairly recently.
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with
Firebird
> > in
> > > his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains
on
> > the
> > > machine and is kept up to date.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > MS MVP for Win9x
> > >
> > > "jt3" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Joe
> > > > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the
*only*
> > > place
> > > > > >they
> > > > > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned
things!
> > > Gotta
> > > > do
> > > > > >a
> > > > > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key
brings
> > > > > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All
> header
> > > > > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses
> the
> > > > > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> BoB
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to.
Whenever
> I
> > > ask
> > > > > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the
> CIA
> > > > being
> > > > > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
> > > > allegedly
> > > > > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the
> same
> > > way
> > > > as
> > > > > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > > > > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > > > > is being checked against all possible configurations by present
> users.
> > > > > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
> > > > > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
> > > > > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses
the
> > > > > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini
> file.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > > > > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
> > > > > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > > > > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
> > > > > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when
the
> > > > > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a
couple
> > > > > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
> > > > > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > > > > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them
that
> > > > > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use
the
> > > > > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly
because
> > > > > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
> > > > > and not the registry.
> > > > >
> > > > > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > > > > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
> > > > > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> > > > > minimize vulnerability.
> > > > >
> > > > > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
> > > > > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up
multiple
> > > > > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best
I
> > > > > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> > > > >
> > > > > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> > > > >
> > > > > BoB
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
ArtWilder
June 14th 04, 02:58 PM
Trying to start a war? :>
"PA Bear" > wrote in message
...
> Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
> > If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these programs,
and
> > charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim of
Open
> > *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become a
> > permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
>
ArtWilder
June 14th 04, 03:00 PM
So do you use NS version 4.7 then and/or have you let people who can fix it
know that this is a problem?
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> I know it's "source", but in discussions of Netscape/Mozilla, I call it
> "sauce", the slang term for booze. Open Sauce, drink plenty, sit down and
> start coding. Result: Ruining the bookmark search function which worked
like
> a charm until NS version 4.7x.
>
> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
> >
> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> > > If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these programs,
> and
> > > charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim of
> Open
> > > *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become a
> > > permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
> >
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 14th 04, 03:15 PM
I'm using NS 7.x at the moment. Too many sites no longer work on 4.7x. And
yes, I've let PLENTY of people know that the feature is broken. Based on the
responses (when legible) in Bugzilla, few people see the problem. I've
gotten lots of entertaining excuses for the mess, though.
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
news:Zbizc.68536$My6.11557@fed1read05...
> So do you use NS version 4.7 then and/or have you let people who can fix
it
> know that this is a problem?
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I know it's "source", but in discussions of Netscape/Mozilla, I call it
> > "sauce", the slang term for booze. Open Sauce, drink plenty, sit down
and
> > start coding. Result: Ruining the bookmark search function which worked
> like
> > a charm until NS version 4.7x.
> >
> > "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
> > >
> > > Doug Kanter wrote:
> > > > If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these
programs,
> > and
> > > > charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim
of
> > Open
> > > > *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become
a
> > > > permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 14th 04, 03:16 PM
Actually, I did that last year in one of the Mozilla newsgroups. It reached
the point where I was violating the rules of the Geneva Convention regarding
strong language, so I left for awhile.
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
news:iaizc.68516$My6.28276@fed1read05...
> Trying to start a war? :>
>
> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
> >
> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> > > If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these programs,
> and
> > > charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim of
> Open
> > > *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become a
> > > permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
> >
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 14th 04, 03:24 PM
PC Magazine's pretty good, especially if someone like John Dvorak (resident
curmudgeon) comments on software. All the computer mags are at a
disadvantage, though, when it comes to reviewing software. Using Netscape as
an example, some of the writers were popping pimples when the older version
was around. They look at the current feature set and think it's just fine,
but never saw how many perfectly good features were ruined when the later
versions were dangled over the open sauce shark pool. No requirements
gathering, no prototyping, no user testing.....very bad. Not how software is
supposed to be produced.
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
news:j9izc.68504$My6.15592@fed1read05...
> Okay, what ranks first or at least high up in your opinion?
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > No time, Art. And while it's not the *last* source I would go to for
> advice
> > on things computer, PC World ranks quite close to last, <s>.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> > news:9g6zc.63586$My6.51979@fed1read05...
> > > Have you tried Mozilla FireFox yet, Gary? I am one of those stubborn
> > people
> > > who have yet to try it. Everybody seems to think it is great and even
> PC
> > > WORLD wrote an article about it fairly recently.
> > >
> > > "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with
> Firebird
> > > in
> > > > his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains
> on
> > > the
> > > > machine and is kept up to date.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > > MS MVP for Win9x
> > > >
> > > > "jt3" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Joe
> > > > > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the
> *only*
> > > > place
> > > > > > >they
> > > > > > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned
> things!
> > > > Gotta
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >a
> > > > > > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key
> brings
> > > > > > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All
> > header
> > > > > > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc
reverses
> > the
> > > > > > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> BoB
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to.
> Whenever
> > I
> > > > ask
> > > > > > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of
the
> > CIA
> > > > > being
> > > > > > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have
covertly,
> > > > > allegedly
> > > > > > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in
the
> > same
> > > > way
> > > > > as
> > > > > > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > > > > > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > > > > > is being checked against all possible configurations by present
> > users.
> > > > > > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and
email
> > > > > > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use
separate
> > > > > > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses
> the
> > > > > > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini
> > file.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > > > > > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed
on
> > > > > > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > > > > > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is
used
> > > > > > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when
> the
> > > > > > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a
> couple
> > > > > > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account
it
> > > > > > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > > > > > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them
> that
> > > > > > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use
> the
> > > > > > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly
> because
> > > > > > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini
file
> > > > > > and not the registry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > > > > > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added
features
> > > > > > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird
to
> > > > > > minimize vulnerability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs
nor
> > > > > > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up
> multiple
> > > > > > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as
best
> I
> > > > > > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BoB
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Gary S. Terhune
June 14th 04, 04:03 PM
1. My own test experience. (And when I'm looking for a new tool, or a
replacement tool, I test extensively.)
2. The experiences and reports of other MVPs.
3. The experiences and reports of other regular posters to this newsgroup.
Publicity shills of all stripes rank low, verrrrrry low.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
news:j9izc.68504$My6.15592@fed1read05...
> Okay, what ranks first or at least high up in your opinion?
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > No time, Art. And while it's not the *last* source I would go to for
> advice
> > on things computer, PC World ranks quite close to last, <s>.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> > news:9g6zc.63586$My6.51979@fed1read05...
> > > Have you tried Mozilla FireFox yet, Gary? I am one of those stubborn
> > people
> > > who have yet to try it. Everybody seems to think it is great and even
> PC
> > > WORLD wrote an article about it fairly recently.
> > >
> > > "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with
> Firebird
> > > in
> > > > his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains
> on
> > > the
> > > > machine and is kept up to date.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > > MS MVP for Win9x
> > > >
> > > > "jt3" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Joe
> > > > > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the
> *only*
> > > > place
> > > > > > >they
> > > > > > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned
> things!
> > > > Gotta
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >a
> > > > > > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key
> brings
> > > > > > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All
> > header
> > > > > > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc
reverses
> > the
> > > > > > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> BoB
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to.
> Whenever
> > I
> > > > ask
> > > > > > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of
the
> > CIA
> > > > > being
> > > > > > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have
covertly,
> > > > > allegedly
> > > > > > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in
the
> > same
> > > > way
> > > > > as
> > > > > > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > > > > > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > > > > > is being checked against all possible configurations by present
> > users.
> > > > > > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and
email
> > > > > > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use
separate
> > > > > > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses
> the
> > > > > > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini
> > file.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > > > > > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed
on
> > > > > > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > > > > > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is
used
> > > > > > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when
> the
> > > > > > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a
> couple
> > > > > > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account
it
> > > > > > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > > > > > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them
> that
> > > > > > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use
> the
> > > > > > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly
> because
> > > > > > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini
file
> > > > > > and not the registry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > > > > > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added
features
> > > > > > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird
to
> > > > > > minimize vulnerability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs
nor
> > > > > > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up
> multiple
> > > > > > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as
best
> I
> > > > > > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BoB
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
PA Bear
June 14th 04, 06:18 PM
Nope, it went right *pasta* me.
ArtWilder wrote:
> Trying to start a war? :>
>
> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
>>
>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>> If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these programs,
>>> and charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim
>>> of Open *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has
>>> become a permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
Hugh Candlin
June 14th 04, 07:15 PM
PA Bear > wrote in message ...
> Nope, it went right *pasta* me.
>
Oh, quit yer carbing.......
PCR
June 14th 04, 08:47 PM
Secret A-gent man, secret AAA-gent man!
They have given you a number, and taken way your name!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
| I don't have any "agents" installed - at least not to my knowledge.
You
| must be thinking of someone else.
|
| jt3 wrote:
| > I realize that I posted my reply to the wrong post in this thread--I
meant
| > my question to go to Bill in Co, not BoB. Bill in Co is the one who
has
| > Agent installed and therefore might possibly have removed IE, though
I
| > certainly realize that it isn't necessary to do so. The question
was
| meant
| > to ask for information only, not to incite irritation as to whether
or not
| I
| > was capable of reading the post.
| >
| > Thank you
| > Joe
| > "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >> Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with
Firebird
| in
| >> his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully
remains on
| the
| >> machine and is kept up to date.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Gary S. Terhune
| >> MS MVP for Win9x
| >>
| >> "jt3" > wrote in message
| >> ...
| >>> Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
| >>>
| >>> Thanks,
| >>> Joe
| >>> "BoB" > wrote in message
| >>> ...
| >>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
| >>>> > wrote:
| >>>>
| >>>>> "BoB" > wrote in message
| >>>>> ...
| >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
| >>>>>> > wrote:
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>> I like informative subject lines, except when that's the
*only*
| place
| >>>>>>> they provide the important info! Try copying from the damned
things!
| >> Gotta
| >>> do
| >>>>> a
| >>>>>>> Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key
brings
| >>>>>> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All
header
| >>>>>> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses
the
| >>>>>> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> BoB
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to.
Whenever I
| ask
| >>>>> someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of
the CIA
| >>>>> being questioned about an operation which may or may not have
| covertly,
| >>>>> allegedly happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email
accounts in
| >>>>> the same way as OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics -
just DO
| it.
| >>>>
| >>>> Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
| >>>> needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
| >>>> is being checked against all possible configurations by present
users.
| >>>> V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
| >>>> accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use
separate
| >>>> data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses
the
| >>>> same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini
file.
| >>>>
| >>>> I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
| >>>> to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
| >>>> occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
| >>>> friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is
used
| >>>> for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when
the
| >>>> spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a
couple
| >>>> people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
| >>>>
| >>>> Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
| >>>> would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
| >>>> plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them
that
| >>>> would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use
the
| >>>> folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
| >>>>
| >>>> I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly
because
| >>>> it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
| >>>> and not the registry.
| >>>>
| >>>> For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
| >>>> Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added
features
| >>>> I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
| >>>>
| >>>> In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird
to
| >>>> minimize vulnerability.
| >>>>
| >>>> My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
| >>>> does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up
multiple
| >>>> accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best
I
| >>>> can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
| >>>>
| >>>> We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
| >>>>
| >>>> BoB
|
|
Bill in Co.
June 14th 04, 08:52 PM
When you say "too many sites no longer work on NS4.7x", could you be more
specific, Doug? I am just curious - I haven't reinstalled Netscape yet,
but might, and wasn't sure whether to go with 4.7x, or the new one.
FWIW, I rarely use Flash anymore. (Most of the time I have it disabled), so
that part doesn't bother me).
Doug Kanter wrote:
> I'm using NS 7.x at the moment. Too many sites no longer work on 4.7x. And
> yes, I've let PLENTY of people know that the feature is broken. Based on
the
> responses (when legible) in Bugzilla, few people see the problem. I've
> gotten lots of entertaining excuses for the mess, though.
>
> "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> news:Zbizc.68536$My6.11557@fed1read05...
>> So do you use NS version 4.7 then and/or have you let people who can fix
it
>> know that this is a problem?
>>
>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I know it's "source", but in discussions of Netscape/Mozilla, I call it
>>> "sauce", the slang term for booze. Open Sauce, drink plenty, sit down
and
>>> start coding. Result: Ruining the bookmark search function which worked
like
>>> a charm until NS version 4.7x.
>>>
>>> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
>>>>
>>>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>>>> If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these programs,
and
>>>>> charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim of
Open
>>>>> *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become a
>>>>> permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
Doug Kanter
June 14th 04, 09:52 PM
Frankly, I forgot to keep a list for people who might ask. :-) We're talking
two years now.....
Honestly, NS 7.x isn't bad. The tabbed browsing feature is terrific. If you
don't mind the bookmark search defect, the rest of the program's fine.
Oh...and it doesn't conform to many Windows standards, which could drive you
nuts.
If you'd like some background on the bookmark defect, let me know.
"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> When you say "too many sites no longer work on NS4.7x", could you be more
> specific, Doug? I am just curious - I haven't reinstalled Netscape
yet,
> but might, and wasn't sure whether to go with 4.7x, or the new one.
> FWIW, I rarely use Flash anymore. (Most of the time I have it disabled),
so
> that part doesn't bother me).
>
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
> > I'm using NS 7.x at the moment. Too many sites no longer work on 4.7x.
And
> > yes, I've let PLENTY of people know that the feature is broken. Based on
> the
> > responses (when legible) in Bugzilla, few people see the problem. I've
> > gotten lots of entertaining excuses for the mess, though.
> >
> > "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> > news:Zbizc.68536$My6.11557@fed1read05...
> >> So do you use NS version 4.7 then and/or have you let people who can
fix
> it
> >> know that this is a problem?
> >>
> >> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> I know it's "source", but in discussions of Netscape/Mozilla, I call
it
> >>> "sauce", the slang term for booze. Open Sauce, drink plenty, sit down
> and
> >>> start coding. Result: Ruining the bookmark search function which
worked
> like
> >>> a charm until NS version 4.7x.
> >>>
> >>> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
> >>>>
> >>>> Doug Kanter wrote:
> >>>>> If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these
programs,
> and
> >>>>> charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the victim
of
> Open
> >>>>> *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has become
a
> >>>>> permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
>
>
jt3
June 15th 04, 12:05 AM
Mea culpa. I don't do all that well following tennis or ping-pong matches
either--and I doubt that I can do other than stick my feet in further, but I
suppose I must have been in fast forward; what I really wanted to ask was if
use of something like IERadicator caused serious problems, if one replaced
all the standard IE functions with other software, the Firefox put it into
mind, and the Agent from BoB was talking about the other large piece to
replace, or OE, motivated the question, without too much attention to how
germane it was to the discussion. And speaking of other detours, if you're
still there, why is it that pieces of a thread sometimes don't appear as
retrievable in OE? I have in mind a more recent-origin thread in which you
were replying to the OP wrt max RAM in W98se and said 'See exception #2 on
this page' but there was no page reference. I didn't find it except as the
inclusion in the OP reply, and when I went to the Properties, found a long
string of references with Forte at the end which made me wonder if you were
using Agent at the time.
Thanks for your patience,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Didn't mean to display irritation--honestly didn't feel any. Just
suggested
> that a re-read would make things more clear.
>
> But why would installing Agent, and email/news client, suggest the removal
> of IE? OE, I can see removing if not in use, and it isn't hard to remove.
> Doesn't even cause serious problems like the removal of IE does.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "jt3" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I realize that I posted my reply to the wrong post in this thread--I
meant
> > my question to go to Bill in Co, not BoB. Bill in Co is the one who has
> > Agent installed and therefore might possibly have removed IE, though I
> > certainly realize that it isn't necessary to do so. The question was
> meant
> > to ask for information only, not to incite irritation as to whether or
not
> I
> > was capable of reading the post.
> >
> > Thank you
> > Joe
> > "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with
Firebird
> > in
> > > his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains
on
> > the
> > > machine and is kept up to date.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > MS MVP for Win9x
> > >
> > > "jt3" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Joe
> > > > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the
*only*
> > > place
> > > > > >they
> > > > > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned
things!
> > > Gotta
> > > > do
> > > > > >a
> > > > > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key
brings
> > > > > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All
> header
> > > > > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc reverses
> the
> > > > > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> BoB
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to.
Whenever
> I
> > > ask
> > > > > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of the
> CIA
> > > > being
> > > > > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have covertly,
> > > > allegedly
> > > > > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in the
> same
> > > way
> > > > as
> > > > > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > > > > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > > > > is being checked against all possible configurations by present
> users.
> > > > > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and email
> > > > > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use separate
> > > > > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses
the
> > > > > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini
> file.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > > > > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed on
> > > > > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > > > > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is used
> > > > > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when
the
> > > > > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a
couple
> > > > > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account it
> > > > > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > > > > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them
that
> > > > > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use
the
> > > > > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly
because
> > > > > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini file
> > > > > and not the registry.
> > > > >
> > > > > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > > > > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added features
> > > > > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird to
> > > > > minimize vulnerability.
> > > > >
> > > > > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs nor
> > > > > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up
multiple
> > > > > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as best
I
> > > > > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> > > > >
> > > > > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> > > > >
> > > > > BoB
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Bill in Co.
June 15th 04, 01:15 AM
Well, now that you mention it, what is that bookmark search defect? And
what do you mean by doesn't conform to windows standards? My only
experience is with Netscape 4.73 (and earlier), but maybe that is what you
mean by the not conforming bit, as Netscape was indeed a bit different than
IE.
Doug Kanter wrote:
> Frankly, I forgot to keep a list for people who might ask. :-) We're
talking
> two years now.....
>
> Honestly, NS 7.x isn't bad. The tabbed browsing feature is terrific. If
you
> don't mind the bookmark search defect, the rest of the program's fine.
> Oh...and it doesn't conform to many Windows standards, which could drive
you
> nuts.
>
> If you'd like some background on the bookmark defect, let me know.
>
> "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> ...
>> When you say "too many sites no longer work on NS4.7x", could you be more
>> specific, Doug? I am just curious - I haven't reinstalled Netscape
yet,
>> but might, and wasn't sure whether to go with 4.7x, or the new one.
>> FWIW, I rarely use Flash anymore. (Most of the time I have it disabled),
so
>> that part doesn't bother me).
>>
>>
>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>> I'm using NS 7.x at the moment. Too many sites no longer work on 4.7x.
And
>>> yes, I've let PLENTY of people know that the feature is broken. Based on
the
>>> responses (when legible) in Bugzilla, few people see the problem. I've
>>> gotten lots of entertaining excuses for the mess, though.
>>>
>>> "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
>>> news:Zbizc.68536$My6.11557@fed1read05...
>>>> So do you use NS version 4.7 then and/or have you let people who can
fix it
>>>> know that this is a problem?
>>>>
>>>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I know it's "source", but in discussions of Netscape/Mozilla, I call
it
>>>>> "sauce", the slang term for booze. Open Sauce, drink plenty, sit down
and
>>>>> start coding. Result: Ruining the bookmark search function which
worked
>>>>> like a charm until NS version 4.7x.
>>>>>
>>>>> "PA Bear" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Apple sauce or spaghetti sauce? <eg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>>>>>> If only SOMEONE would combine the best features of all these
programs,
>>>>>>> and charge money for it! I use Mozilla, but since it became the
victim
>>>>>>> of Open *Sauce* programmers, the infamous bookmark search defect has
>>>>>>> become a permanent nightmare. I still use it, though.
Gary S. Terhune
June 15th 04, 05:01 AM
Nothing else can replace IE in Windows. It's *not* just a browser. It's
*not* just IEXPLORE.EXE. It's a massive system of functions that are fully
integrated into the shell. EXPLORER.EXE (Windows Explorer) and IEXPLORE.EXE
(Internet Explorer) are just the top-level apps that you launch to access
that vast array of sub-systems, and all together they constitute the Windows
Shell.
Yes, you can do horrible things to the system and claim that IEXPLORE.EXE
and/or EXPLORER.EXE are not needed, but then it isn't really Windows
anymore. It's a mangled mess. Yes, you can use a different browser for
browsing the internet, but you're doing serious damage to the guts of your
Windows system if you try to also "remove" IE. However, Outlook Express is a
different matter. OE is essentially an optional component of IE, and can be
dispensed with altogether.
You didn't miss that reference in the strange post--I neglected to add it
before sending, a failure I remedied in a subsequent post. Any reference you
saw to Agent in any post from me was probably due to my having responded to
someone using Agent.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
"jt3" > wrote in message
...
> Mea culpa. I don't do all that well following tennis or ping-pong matches
> either--and I doubt that I can do other than stick my feet in further, but
I
> suppose I must have been in fast forward; what I really wanted to ask was
if
> use of something like IERadicator caused serious problems, if one replaced
> all the standard IE functions with other software, the Firefox put it into
> mind, and the Agent from BoB was talking about the other large piece to
> replace, or OE, motivated the question, without too much attention to how
> germane it was to the discussion. And speaking of other detours, if
you're
> still there, why is it that pieces of a thread sometimes don't appear as
> retrievable in OE? I have in mind a more recent-origin thread in which
you
> were replying to the OP wrt max RAM in W98se and said 'See exception #2 on
> this page' but there was no page reference. I didn't find it except as
the
> inclusion in the OP reply, and when I went to the Properties, found a long
> string of references with Forte at the end which made me wonder if you
were
> using Agent at the time.
> Thanks for your patience,
> Joe
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Didn't mean to display irritation--honestly didn't feel any. Just
> suggested
> > that a re-read would make things more clear.
> >
> > But why would installing Agent, and email/news client, suggest the
removal
> > of IE? OE, I can see removing if not in use, and it isn't hard to
remove.
> > Doesn't even cause serious problems like the removal of IE does.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "jt3" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I realize that I posted my reply to the wrong post in this thread--I
> meant
> > > my question to go to Bill in Co, not BoB. Bill in Co is the one who
has
> > > Agent installed and therefore might possibly have removed IE, though I
> > > certainly realize that it isn't necessary to do so. The question was
> > meant
> > > to ask for information only, not to incite irritation as to whether or
> not
> > I
> > > was capable of reading the post.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > Joe
> > > "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Read it again. BoB didn't remove IE, he just "replaced" it with
> Firebird
> > > in
> > > > his usage. The rest of the text makes it plain that IE fully remains
> on
> > > the
> > > > machine and is kept up to date.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gary S. Terhune
> > > > MS MVP for Win9x
> > > >
> > > > "jt3" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Did you use the LitePC IE remover tool to eliminate IE?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Joe
> > > > > "BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:08:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >"BoB" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:52:03 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >I like informative subject lines, except when that's the
> *only*
> > > > place
> > > > > > >they
> > > > > > >> >provide the important info! Try copying from the damned
> things!
> > > > Gotta
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >a
> > > > > > >> >Ctrl-F3 to get the Source. Is this only a problem in OE?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Switched from OE to Agent years ago, in which the 'r' key
> brings
> > > > > > >> up the highlighted msg ready for a response to be added. All
> > header
> > > > > > >> data is completed so Ctrl-C can grab the subject. Esc
reverses
> > the
> > > > > > >> 'r' key effect and you are back where you were.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> BoB
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to.
> Whenever
> > I
> > > > ask
> > > > > > >someone who loves Agent, they begin to sound like the head of
the
> > CIA
> > > > > being
> > > > > > >questioned about an operation which may or may not have
covertly,
> > > > > allegedly
> > > > > > >happened. Ready? Can Agent handle multiple email accounts in
the
> > same
> > > > way
> > > > > as
> > > > > > >OE? In other words, no tweaks, no acrobatics - just DO it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agent was just re-written this year in another language that was
> > > > > > needed for future expansion of its code. The present v2.0 in use
> > > > > > is being checked against all possible configurations by present
> > users.
> > > > > > V2.1 due next quarter will incorporate multiple servers and
email
> > > > > > accounts with no acrobatics required. Users presently use
separate
> > > > > > data folders to accomplish the same thing. Each data folder uses
> the
> > > > > > same executable but there is the necessity of setting up the ini
> > file.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have three folders. Each folder is set to DL different NGs and
> > > > > > to access different email accounts. Some NGs are only accessed
on
> > > > > > occasion. One of my email accounts is widely known but only to
> > > > > > friends and within my condo complex. Another email account is
used
> > > > > > for signing up for things on the internet. I get a new one when
> the
> > > > > > spam gets too bad. A third email account is trusted to only a
> couple
> > > > > > people I can trust to not have their address book stolen. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Theoretically, if a folder was set up just as an email account
it
> > > > > > would likely be very small. Just an ini file and your filter.dat
> > > > > > plus whatever msgs you retained. You could have dozens of them
> that
> > > > > > would take up hardly any space at all as long as you didn't use
> the
> > > > > > folders for 'permanent' storage of email.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I tried free Agent in '99, got hooked and bought it. Mainly
> because
> > > > > > it didn't do html, had no vulnerabilities and it used an ini
file
> > > > > > and not the registry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For similar reasons in '00 I bought Windows Commander to replace
> > > > > > Explorer. Again it uses an ini file and has so many added
features
> > > > > > I could uninstall a dozen third party programs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In '02 I replaced IE for the most part, with Mozilla's Firebird
to
> > > > > > minimize vulnerability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My wife prefers to use IE6 and OE6 but has no interest in NGs
nor
> > > > > > does she need multiple email accounts. I have never set up
> multiple
> > > > > > accounts in OE. I keep her updated, scanned and protected as
best
> I
> > > > > > can including a firewall and multiple AVs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We anti-malware but not anti-MS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BoB
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 15th 04, 03:43 PM
"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> Well, now that you mention it, what is that bookmark search defect? And
> what do you mean by doesn't conform to windows standards? My only
> experience is with Netscape 4.73 (and earlier), but maybe that is what you
> mean by the not conforming bit, as Netscape was indeed a bit different
than
> IE.
OK....you asked. :-)
First of all, this explanation assumes you have first hit CTRL-B to open the
bookmark file in either version. And, to understand the defect, you must
consider how a search worked in 4.7x. In the older version, a search would
move the cursor to the place in the list where the result was found. Another
keystroke would take you to the next occurrence of that result, if any. This
achieved two things: You could see which folder the result was found in, and
you could edit the bookmark.
The usual response in the Mozilla newsgroup was that if you keep your
bookmarks organized, you should KNOW where individual ones reside, but that'
s nonsense. It assumes that it might not be necessary to move a bookmark
from one folder to another, and penalizes the user for changing his/her
thinking.
Netscape version 7.x (and several consecutitve builds of Mozilla from as
late as last fall) turn the search method upside down. Instead of moving the
cursor to the search result(s), it shows them in a new window, with no clue
as to where in the file they were found. To understand why this is a logical
disaster, imagine doing a search in a Word document, and having it produce a
separate window containing results you could not edit, or find within the
document. Utterly useless.
This points out the underlying problem with the Netscape/Mozilla open source
project. Certain features were redesigned without giving any thought to one
of the most basic software design issues: What questions will the user ask,
and how will the software answer them?
As far as Windows standards, here are but two examples. First, the cookie
warning dialog produces no sound. Let's say you're loading one of those
pages that contains content from various sources, usually advertising. You
know the ones: Even with a broadband connection, they still take 20 seconds
to load completely. You decide to ALT-TAB to another program while that's
happening. The cookie warning pops up in the background without a sound, and
until you respond to it, the page stops loading. Granted, you could adjust
your cookie settings so warnings never pop up, but that's not the way to
address this issue. The usual response in the Mozilla groups was that the
program was designed to work with other operating systems in addition to
Windows, so it wasn't possible to observe the standards of all of them.
Nonsense.
Another: In MS Word or Excel, try responding to many of the simpler dialog
boxes without using the mouse. For some of them, you don't even need to use
the ALT key in combination with another. And, for a simple yes or no box,
hitting "Y" or "N" does the trick. Microsoft has its problems, but usability
is not one of them. Somebody did their homework.
Try that with NS/Mozilla. It may bother you enough that you'll want to buy a
rifle, climb a tower, and start shooting people.
OK.I'm done for now.
ArtWilder
June 15th 04, 06:53 PM
The cloud lifts and some sun shines through. What about Mozilla Firefox?
Is it any good in your opinion, Doug Kanter? Is it more functional and
secure than IE 6 sp1 which I am starting to become more and more disatisfied
with it. What about Opera and other browser types? Thanks in advance for
your comments. I am considering using both IE 6 sp1 and Mozilla FireFox but
I have not tried FireFox yet and I do not feel in the mood to mess up my
settings too much. :> <vbg>
"Hugh Candlin" > wrote in message
...
>
> PA Bear > wrote in message
...
> > Nope, it went right *pasta* me.
> >
> Oh, quit yer carbing.......
>
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 15th 04, 07:12 PM
First of all, I'm not comparing ANYTHING to IE. I won't use that because it
doesn't allow you to add notes to bookmarks, which makes it useless for my
purposes. As far as Firefox, I won't know that for a month or so. Normally,
I will not experiment constantly with software, since it tends to make a
mess of a computer. But, I'll be reformatting my HD and reinstalling the OS
soon. For a week beforehand, I'll try out a few different things, like
Firefox, and see if the open sauce programmers have graduated from
kindergarten yet.
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
...
> The cloud lifts and some sun shines through. What about Mozilla Firefox?
> Is it any good in your opinion, Doug Kanter? Is it more functional and
> secure than IE 6 sp1 which I am starting to become more and more
disatisfied
> with it. What about Opera and other browser types? Thanks in advance for
> your comments. I am considering using both IE 6 sp1 and Mozilla FireFox
but
> I have not tried FireFox yet and I do not feel in the mood to mess up my
> settings too much. :> <vbg>
>
> "Hugh Candlin" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > PA Bear > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Nope, it went right *pasta* me.
> > >
> > Oh, quit yer carbing.......
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Bill in Co.
June 15th 04, 10:13 PM
Now I'm not so sure I asked, LOL. But the information is interesting,
nonetheless. Most of these disadvantages wouldn't phase me as I'm not as
much of a power user as you are! But (as of yet) I still haven't
reinstalled Netscape, as IE is working fine for me.
Doug Kanter wrote:
> "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Well, now that you mention it, what is that bookmark search defect?
And
>> what do you mean by doesn't conform to windows standards? My only
>> experience is with Netscape 4.73 (and earlier), but maybe that is what
you
>> mean by the not conforming bit, as Netscape was indeed a bit different
than
>> IE.
>
> OK....you asked. :-)
>
> First of all, this explanation assumes you have first hit CTRL-B to open
the
> bookmark file in either version. And, to understand the defect, you must
> consider how a search worked in 4.7x. In the older version, a search would
> move the cursor to the place in the list where the result was found.
Another
> keystroke would take you to the next occurrence of that result, if any.
This
> achieved two things: You could see which folder the result was found in,
and
> you could edit the bookmark.
>
>
>
> The usual response in the Mozilla newsgroup was that if you keep your
> bookmarks organized, you should KNOW where individual ones reside, but
that'
> s nonsense. It assumes that it might not be necessary to move a bookmark
> from one folder to another, and penalizes the user for changing his/her
> thinking.
>
>
>
> Netscape version 7.x (and several consecutitve builds of Mozilla from as
> late as last fall) turn the search method upside down. Instead of moving
the
> cursor to the search result(s), it shows them in a new window, with no
clue
> as to where in the file they were found. To understand why this is a
logical
> disaster, imagine doing a search in a Word document, and having it produce
a
> separate window containing results you could not edit, or find within the
> document. Utterly useless.
>
>
>
> This points out the underlying problem with the Netscape/Mozilla open
source
> project. Certain features were redesigned without giving any thought to
one
> of the most basic software design issues: What questions will the user
ask,
> and how will the software answer them?
>
>
>
> As far as Windows standards, here are but two examples. First, the cookie
> warning dialog produces no sound. Let's say you're loading one of those
> pages that contains content from various sources, usually advertising. You
> know the ones: Even with a broadband connection, they still take 20
seconds
> to load completely. You decide to ALT-TAB to another program while that's
> happening. The cookie warning pops up in the background without a sound,
and
> until you respond to it, the page stops loading. Granted, you could adjust
> your cookie settings so warnings never pop up, but that's not the way to
> address this issue. The usual response in the Mozilla groups was that the
> program was designed to work with other operating systems in addition to
> Windows, so it wasn't possible to observe the standards of all of them.
> Nonsense.
>
>
>
> Another: In MS Word or Excel, try responding to many of the simpler dialog
> boxes without using the mouse. For some of them, you don't even need to
use
> the ALT key in combination with another. And, for a simple yes or no box,
> hitting "Y" or "N" does the trick. Microsoft has its problems, but
usability
> is not one of them. Somebody did their homework.
>
>
>
> Try that with NS/Mozilla. It may bother you enough that you'll want to buy
a
> rifle, climb a tower, and start shooting people.
>
>
>
> OK.I'm done for now.
ArtWilder
June 15th 04, 11:37 PM
Thanks, I am interested in hearing all user's comments about Firefox and
sorry I did not mean to make you UPSET.
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> First of all, I'm not comparing ANYTHING to IE. I won't use that because
it
> doesn't allow you to add notes to bookmarks, which makes it useless for my
> purposes. As far as Firefox, I won't know that for a month or so.
Normally,
> I will not experiment constantly with software, since it tends to make a
> mess of a computer. But, I'll be reformatting my HD and reinstalling the
OS
> soon. For a week beforehand, I'll try out a few different things, like
> Firefox, and see if the open sauce programmers have graduated from
> kindergarten yet.
>
> "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The cloud lifts and some sun shines through. What about Mozilla
Firefox?
> > Is it any good in your opinion, Doug Kanter? Is it more functional and
> > secure than IE 6 sp1 which I am starting to become more and more
> disatisfied
> > with it. What about Opera and other browser types? Thanks in advance
for
> > your comments. I am considering using both IE 6 sp1 and Mozilla FireFox
> but
> > I have not tried FireFox yet and I do not feel in the mood to mess up my
> > settings too much. :> <vbg>
> >
> > "Hugh Candlin" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > PA Bear > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > > Nope, it went right *pasta* me.
> > > >
> > > Oh, quit yer carbing.......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 15th 04, 11:47 PM
Well, I guess you have to weigh the security disadvantages of IE vs the
inconveniences of NS/Moz. The tabbed browsing does add quite a bit of
convenience, though. If you have a web page loaded in IE, don't want to lose
it, and ask for a new window, it produces one with the web page contained in
the first. This can slow things down. In NS/Moz, you can open a new BLANK
tab. It's very fast, and you end up with a situation similar to multiple
sheets in an Excel workbook.
I must be schizophrenic! First, I tell you what a piece of crap NS/Moz is,
and now I'm selling you on the software. Maybe I'm balanced. (?)
"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> Now I'm not so sure I asked, LOL. But the information is interesting,
> nonetheless. Most of these disadvantages wouldn't phase me as I'm not as
> much of a power user as you are! But (as of yet) I still haven't
> reinstalled Netscape, as IE is working fine for me.
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
> > "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Well, now that you mention it, what is that bookmark search defect?
> And
> >> what do you mean by doesn't conform to windows standards? My only
> >> experience is with Netscape 4.73 (and earlier), but maybe that is what
> you
> >> mean by the not conforming bit, as Netscape was indeed a bit different
> than
> >> IE.
> >
> > OK....you asked. :-)
> >
> > First of all, this explanation assumes you have first hit CTRL-B to open
> the
> > bookmark file in either version. And, to understand the defect, you must
> > consider how a search worked in 4.7x. In the older version, a search
would
> > move the cursor to the place in the list where the result was found.
> Another
> > keystroke would take you to the next occurrence of that result, if any.
> This
> > achieved two things: You could see which folder the result was found in,
> and
> > you could edit the bookmark.
> >
> >
> >
> > The usual response in the Mozilla newsgroup was that if you keep your
> > bookmarks organized, you should KNOW where individual ones reside, but
> that'
> > s nonsense. It assumes that it might not be necessary to move a bookmark
> > from one folder to another, and penalizes the user for changing his/her
> > thinking.
> >
> >
> >
> > Netscape version 7.x (and several consecutitve builds of Mozilla from as
> > late as last fall) turn the search method upside down. Instead of moving
> the
> > cursor to the search result(s), it shows them in a new window, with no
> clue
> > as to where in the file they were found. To understand why this is a
> logical
> > disaster, imagine doing a search in a Word document, and having it
produce
> a
> > separate window containing results you could not edit, or find within
the
> > document. Utterly useless.
> >
> >
> >
> > This points out the underlying problem with the Netscape/Mozilla open
> source
> > project. Certain features were redesigned without giving any thought to
> one
> > of the most basic software design issues: What questions will the user
> ask,
> > and how will the software answer them?
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as Windows standards, here are but two examples. First, the
cookie
> > warning dialog produces no sound. Let's say you're loading one of those
> > pages that contains content from various sources, usually advertising.
You
> > know the ones: Even with a broadband connection, they still take 20
> seconds
> > to load completely. You decide to ALT-TAB to another program while
that's
> > happening. The cookie warning pops up in the background without a sound,
> and
> > until you respond to it, the page stops loading. Granted, you could
adjust
> > your cookie settings so warnings never pop up, but that's not the way to
> > address this issue. The usual response in the Mozilla groups was that
the
> > program was designed to work with other operating systems in addition to
> > Windows, so it wasn't possible to observe the standards of all of them.
> > Nonsense.
> >
> >
> >
> > Another: In MS Word or Excel, try responding to many of the simpler
dialog
> > boxes without using the mouse. For some of them, you don't even need to
> use
> > the ALT key in combination with another. And, for a simple yes or no
box,
> > hitting "Y" or "N" does the trick. Microsoft has its problems, but
> usability
> > is not one of them. Somebody did their homework.
> >
> >
> >
> > Try that with NS/Mozilla. It may bother you enough that you'll want to
buy
> a
> > rifle, climb a tower, and start shooting people.
> >
> >
> >
> > OK.I'm done for now.
>
>
Doug Kanter
June 15th 04, 11:48 PM
I'm not upset!!! (Pass the ammo....)
ROFL!
"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks, I am interested in hearing all user's comments about Firefox and
> sorry I did not mean to make you UPSET.
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> > First of all, I'm not comparing ANYTHING to IE. I won't use that because
> it
> > doesn't allow you to add notes to bookmarks, which makes it useless for
my
> > purposes. As far as Firefox, I won't know that for a month or so.
> Normally,
> > I will not experiment constantly with software, since it tends to make a
> > mess of a computer. But, I'll be reformatting my HD and reinstalling the
> OS
> > soon. For a week beforehand, I'll try out a few different things, like
> > Firefox, and see if the open sauce programmers have graduated from
> > kindergarten yet.
> >
> > "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > The cloud lifts and some sun shines through. What about Mozilla
> Firefox?
> > > Is it any good in your opinion, Doug Kanter? Is it more functional
and
> > > secure than IE 6 sp1 which I am starting to become more and more
> > disatisfied
> > > with it. What about Opera and other browser types? Thanks in advance
> for
> > > your comments. I am considering using both IE 6 sp1 and Mozilla
FireFox
> > but
> > > I have not tried FireFox yet and I do not feel in the mood to mess up
my
> > > settings too much. :> <vbg>
> > >
> > > "Hugh Candlin" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > PA Bear > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > > Nope, it went right *pasta* me.
> > > > >
> > > > Oh, quit yer carbing.......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
ArtWilder
June 16th 04, 02:44 AM
Thats what debate does to someone, it changes them unless the topic goes
against their core beliefs.
"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> Well, I guess you have to weigh the security disadvantages of IE vs the
> inconveniences of NS/Moz. The tabbed browsing does add quite a bit of
> convenience, though. If you have a web page loaded in IE, don't want to
lose
> it, and ask for a new window, it produces one with the web page contained
in
> the first. This can slow things down. In NS/Moz, you can open a new BLANK
> tab. It's very fast, and you end up with a situation similar to multiple
> sheets in an Excel workbook.
>
> I must be schizophrenic! First, I tell you what a piece of crap NS/Moz is,
> and now I'm selling you on the software. Maybe I'm balanced. (?)
>
> "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Now I'm not so sure I asked, LOL. But the information is
interesting,
> > nonetheless. Most of these disadvantages wouldn't phase me as I'm not
as
> > much of a power user as you are! But (as of yet) I still haven't
> > reinstalled Netscape, as IE is working fine for me.
> >
> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> > > "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >> Well, now that you mention it, what is that bookmark search defect?
> > And
> > >> what do you mean by doesn't conform to windows standards? My only
> > >> experience is with Netscape 4.73 (and earlier), but maybe that is
what
> > you
> > >> mean by the not conforming bit, as Netscape was indeed a bit
different
> > than
> > >> IE.
> > >
> > > OK....you asked. :-)
> > >
> > > First of all, this explanation assumes you have first hit CTRL-B to
open
> > the
> > > bookmark file in either version. And, to understand the defect, you
must
> > > consider how a search worked in 4.7x. In the older version, a search
> would
> > > move the cursor to the place in the list where the result was found.
> > Another
> > > keystroke would take you to the next occurrence of that result, if
any.
> > This
> > > achieved two things: You could see which folder the result was found
in,
> > and
> > > you could edit the bookmark.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The usual response in the Mozilla newsgroup was that if you keep your
> > > bookmarks organized, you should KNOW where individual ones reside, but
> > that'
> > > s nonsense. It assumes that it might not be necessary to move a
bookmark
> > > from one folder to another, and penalizes the user for changing
his/her
> > > thinking.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Netscape version 7.x (and several consecutitve builds of Mozilla from
as
> > > late as last fall) turn the search method upside down. Instead of
moving
> > the
> > > cursor to the search result(s), it shows them in a new window, with no
> > clue
> > > as to where in the file they were found. To understand why this is a
> > logical
> > > disaster, imagine doing a search in a Word document, and having it
> produce
> > a
> > > separate window containing results you could not edit, or find within
> the
> > > document. Utterly useless.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This points out the underlying problem with the Netscape/Mozilla open
> > source
> > > project. Certain features were redesigned without giving any thought
to
> > one
> > > of the most basic software design issues: What questions will the user
> > ask,
> > > and how will the software answer them?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As far as Windows standards, here are but two examples. First, the
> cookie
> > > warning dialog produces no sound. Let's say you're loading one of
those
> > > pages that contains content from various sources, usually advertising.
> You
> > > know the ones: Even with a broadband connection, they still take 20
> > seconds
> > > to load completely. You decide to ALT-TAB to another program while
> that's
> > > happening. The cookie warning pops up in the background without a
sound,
> > and
> > > until you respond to it, the page stops loading. Granted, you could
> adjust
> > > your cookie settings so warnings never pop up, but that's not the way
to
> > > address this issue. The usual response in the Mozilla groups was that
> the
> > > program was designed to work with other operating systems in addition
to
> > > Windows, so it wasn't possible to observe the standards of all of
them.
> > > Nonsense.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Another: In MS Word or Excel, try responding to many of the simpler
> dialog
> > > boxes without using the mouse. For some of them, you don't even need
to
> > use
> > > the ALT key in combination with another. And, for a simple yes or no
> box,
> > > hitting "Y" or "N" does the trick. Microsoft has its problems, but
> > usability
> > > is not one of them. Somebody did their homework.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Try that with NS/Mozilla. It may bother you enough that you'll want to
> buy
> > a
> > > rifle, climb a tower, and start shooting people.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OK.I'm done for now.
> >
> >
>
>
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