Windows ME, Windows XP Home network

[Dave]

I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
versa.

I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
name.

There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
the same on the ME and XP computer.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[Romenski Carnov]

Dave wrote:

> I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
> to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
> This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
> the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
> cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
> versa.
>
> I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
> versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
> I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
> I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
> name.
>
> There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
> the same on the ME and XP computer.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

You will have to set up your router to start a DNS Server (Domain Name
Server), the DNS will format any computername to an IP address, if the
router is already running a DNS server, goto your networking options at
both the computers, get your current DNS Server addresses:
Goto your WinXP machine,
Start > Run > Control
If you are in "Category View", select "Classical Display"/"View All
Options", on the left of the new window.
Go to your network connections, and double click your active connection
(Probably called LAN-Connection).
Now select the second tab, and write down the primary, secundairy and
tertiary DNS address.
Now click the first tab back again: there's got to be a button there
saying "advanced" (or something like that, its been some time since ive
worked w/ windows xp).
Select the TCP/IP option in the list and select the "Edit"/"Advanced"
button.
You will have a configuration window now, where you can order the
computer to use "Manual" DNS addresses, it will ask for 2 or 3 DNS
addresses, here enter as first DNS address the IP of your router, and as
second you use the primary address you wrote down some minutes ago, if
it asks for a third DNS address, enter the second you wrote down.
Dont worry if not all the DNS IP's of your old configuration fit in the
new config.
Apply your new changes, and confirm the new DNS addresses have been used
the same way you read them before writing down.


Now go to your windows Millennium system, open the configuration panel
(start> run > control), if you are seeing the "Category view", select
"View All Options", doubleclick "Network", "TCP/IP" for the connection
you are using for the LAN network, select "Properties", and click the
"DNS" tab.
In the "Host" box, enter the hostname of the windows millennium
computer, leave "Domain" empty
Now go to the "Search Order of DNS Server" box, and enter the router IP
address first, followed by all the DNS addresses you have on the piece
of paper, starting with the primary, then secundairy, etc.
Click "OK", then click "OK" at the main "Network" screen, the computer
will now make a new database of networkinformation, and ask you to
reboot, let the computer restart in peace, and see if it works.

If this does NOT work, contact me

Greetings,
Romenski

[Carey Holzman]

www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm

Tip #1 on all PCs.

Carey

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
> to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
> This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
> the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
> cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
> versa.
>
> I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
> versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
> I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
> I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
> name.
>
> There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
> the same on the ME and XP computer.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[N. Miller]

In article >, Romenski Carnov says...

> You will have to set up your router to start a DNS Server (Domain Name
> Server)...

I have not seen a SOHO router which has a DNS server included. DNS servers
are complicated affairs, and not needed on small, home networks.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

[N. Miller]

In article >, Dave says...

> I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
> to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
> This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
> the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
> cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
> versa.

> I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
> versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
> I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
> I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
> name.

> There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
> the same on the ME and XP computer.

> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

The first thing I would try is to start the Windows XP computer first, and
start the Windows ME computer last. This should allow the Windows XP
computer to become the "browse master"; and by the time the Windows ME
computer comes up, it should find the Windows XP browser master. Apparently,
if Windows ME grabs "browse master" first, it won't relinquish "browse
master" ever. Apparently, also, Windows XP will insist on being the "browse
master" no matter what. So you get two "browse masters"; and the Windows 98
computers will play with the Windows XP "browse master", but the Windows ME
computer will go to its own little corner of the LAN and play by itself.

{This is all conjecture based on snippets of information gleaned from these
groups. I don't have a Windows XP computer to test this against, so I may be
all wrong.}

{I am running two Windows ME computers, and I have disabled the "browse
master" completely in one, and enabled it in the other; no "automatic"
setting. If the one with "browse master" disabled is on by itself, it
matters not that it is disabled because there are no LAN resources to
browse.}

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

[Fred Marshall]

Carey,

I've used your guidelines with success. However, there's one thing that I
encountered:

If one adds NetBEUI to a WinME machine then it can no longer "see" an XP
machine without NetBEUI .... at least so it seems. Does that make any
sense?

I "solved" it by adding NetBEUI to the XP machine - which some would argue
isn't good/necessary/etc....

More insight would be helpful.

Fred

"Carey Holzman" > wrote in message
...
> www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm
>
> Tip #1 on all PCs.
>
> Carey
>
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
> > to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
> > This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
> > the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
> > cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
> > versa.
> >
> > I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
> > versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
> > I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
> > I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
> > name.
> >
> > There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
> > the same on the ME and XP computer.
> >
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>

[Carey Holzman]

Where in my tips is NetBEUI recommended?


"Fred Marshall" > wrote in message
...
> Carey,
>
> I've used your guidelines with success. However, there's one thing that I
> encountered:
>
> If one adds NetBEUI to a WinME machine then it can no longer "see" an XP
> machine without NetBEUI .... at least so it seems. Does that make any
> sense?
>
> I "solved" it by adding NetBEUI to the XP machine - which some would argue
> isn't good/necessary/etc....
>
> More insight would be helpful.
>
> Fred
>
> "Carey Holzman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm
>>
>> Tip #1 on all PCs.
>>
>> Carey
>>
>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
>> > to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
>> > This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
>> > the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
>> > cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
>> > versa.
>> >
>> > I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
>> > versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
>> > I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
>> > I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
>> > name.
>> >
>> > There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
>> > the same on the ME and XP computer.
>> >
>> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>
>

[Fred Marshall]

Carey,

Respectfully, Tip#6 implies it.

Fred

"Carey Holzman" > wrote in message
...
> Where in my tips is NetBEUI recommended?
>
>
> "Fred Marshall" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Carey,
> >
> > I've used your guidelines with success. However, there's one thing that
I
> > encountered:
> >
> > If one adds NetBEUI to a WinME machine then it can no longer "see" an XP
> > machine without NetBEUI .... at least so it seems. Does that make any
> > sense?
> >
> > I "solved" it by adding NetBEUI to the XP machine - which some would
argue
> > isn't good/necessary/etc....
> >
> > More insight would be helpful.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > "Carey Holzman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm
> >>
> >> Tip #1 on all PCs.
> >>
> >> Carey
> >>
> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
> >> > to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
> >> > This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
> >> > the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
> >> > cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
> >> > versa.
> >> >
> >> > I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
> >> > versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
> >> > I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
> >> > I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
> >> > name.
> >> >
> >> > There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
> >> > the same on the ME and XP computer.
> >> >
> >> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[N. Miller]

In article >, Fred Marshall says...

> Respectfully, Tip#6 implies it.

With all due respect, Carey's advice only mentioned Tip #1.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

[Carey Holzman]

Fred,

The list of fixes is for individual specific problems. Some people will post
the question "I can't find IPX or NetBEUI on my list of installed protocols.
How do I fix this?"

Because the question is asked so often, it was added to my networking list
of FAQs as Tip #6.

Had you asked that question, I would have directed you to Tip #6.

Each tip is meant to be used independently of the other tips. If, after
using Tip #4, you experience a new problem, then you go back to the list and
find the tip that applies to that particular problem.

Based on your question, I suggested Tip #1.

Sorry for any confusion.

Carey

"Fred Marshall" > wrote in message
...
> Carey,
>
> Respectfully, Tip#6 implies it.
>
> Fred
>
> "Carey Holzman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Where in my tips is NetBEUI recommended?
>>
>>
>> "Fred Marshall" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Carey,
>> >
>> > I've used your guidelines with success. However, there's one thing
>> > that
> I
>> > encountered:
>> >
>> > If one adds NetBEUI to a WinME machine then it can no longer "see" an
>> > XP
>> > machine without NetBEUI .... at least so it seems. Does that make any
>> > sense?
>> >
>> > I "solved" it by adding NetBEUI to the XP machine - which some would
> argue
>> > isn't good/necessary/etc....
>> >
>> > More insight would be helpful.
>> >
>> > Fred
>> >
>> > "Carey Holzman" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm
>> >>
>> >> Tip #1 on all PCs.
>> >>
>> >> Carey
>> >>
>> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
>> >> > to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
>> >> > This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
>> >> > the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
>> >> > cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
>> >> > versa.
>> >> >
>> >> > I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
>> >> > versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
>> >> > I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
>> >> > I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
>> >> > name.
>> >> >
>> >> > There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
>> >> > the same on the ME and XP computer.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

[Fred Marshall]

Carey,

OK - that's helpful. Thanks.

Fred

"Carey Holzman" > wrote in message
...
> Fred,
>
> The list of fixes is for individual specific problems. Some people will
post
> the question "I can't find IPX or NetBEUI on my list of installed
protocols.
> How do I fix this?"
>
> Because the question is asked so often, it was added to my networking list
> of FAQs as Tip #6.
>
> Had you asked that question, I would have directed you to Tip #6.
>
> Each tip is meant to be used independently of the other tips. If, after
> using Tip #4, you experience a new problem, then you go back to the list
and
> find the tip that applies to that particular problem.
>
> Based on your question, I suggested Tip #1.
>
> Sorry for any confusion.
>
> Carey
>
> "Fred Marshall" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Carey,
> >
> > Respectfully, Tip#6 implies it.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > "Carey Holzman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Where in my tips is NetBEUI recommended?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Fred Marshall" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Carey,
> >> >
> >> > I've used your guidelines with success. However, there's one thing
> >> > that
> > I
> >> > encountered:
> >> >
> >> > If one adds NetBEUI to a WinME machine then it can no longer "see" an
> >> > XP
> >> > machine without NetBEUI .... at least so it seems. Does that make
any
> >> > sense?
> >> >
> >> > I "solved" it by adding NetBEUI to the XP machine - which some would
> > argue
> >> > isn't good/necessary/etc....
> >> >
> >> > More insight would be helpful.
> >> >
> >> > Fred
> >> >
> >> > "Carey Holzman" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> Tip #1 on all PCs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Carey
> >> >>
> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
> >> >> > to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
> >> >> > This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
> >> >> > the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
> >> >> > cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
> >> >> > versa.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
> >> >> > versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
> >> >> > I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
> >> >> > I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
> >> >> > name.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
> >> >> > the same on the ME and XP computer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article >, "Dave"
> wrote:
>I have 2 Win ME, 1 Win 98 and 1 Windows XP Home connected
>to a router in order to share a cable internet connection.
>This sharing works fine. Also, I can share files between
>the Win ME and Win98 computers. The problem is that I
>cannot see the Win XP computer from the Win ME and vice
>versa.
>
>I *can* ping from the ME computer to the XP, and vice
>versa using the numerical address obtained from ipconfig.
>I can ping from the ME computer to the XP computer name.
>I cannot ping from the XP computer to the ME computer
>name.
>
>There are no firewalls, and the login name and password is
>the same on the ME and XP computer.
>
>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

That's a nice problem description, Dave. I think that it clearly
indicates a problem with NetBIOS name resolution.

Make sure that NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on all computers, as
shown here:

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/troubleshoot/netbt.htm

Run "ipconfig /all" on the XP computer and look at the "Node Type" at
the beginning of the output. If it says "Peer-to-Peer" (which should
actually be "Point-to-Point") that's the problem. It means that the
computer only uses a WINS server, which isn't available on a
peer-to-peer network, for NetBIOS name resolution.

If that's the case, run the registry editor, open this key:

HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Parame ters

and delete these values if they're present:

NodeType
DhcpNodeType

Reboot, then try network access again.

If that doesn't fix it, open that registry key again, create a DWORD
value called "NodeType", and set it to 1 for "Broadcast" or 4 for
"Mixed".

For details, see these Microsoft Knowledge Base articles:

Default Node Type for Microsoft Clients
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;160177

TCP/IP and NBT Configuration Parameters for Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314053
--
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