DOS version of DEFRAG

[Curt Christianson]

Good evening,
It's my understanding that W98 (prolly 95 too??) does not have a DOS version
of DEFRAG, because a DOS based version will destroy Long File Names (and
maybe other consequences?).
I've searched the Knowledge Base for any kind of documentation, but came up
empty-handed. Anyone out there have any info./links I can look at regarding
this?

TIA,
--
Curt--and NOT the MVP Curt Christianson (I wish!)
W98 Support & Discussion:
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Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
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[Gary S. Terhune]

Here's a couple of references, courtesy of Google.
http://www.computerhope.com/software/defrag.htm
http://www.easydos.com/defrag.html
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"Curt Christianson" > wrote in message
...
> Good evening,
> It's my understanding that W98 (prolly 95 too??) does not have a DOS
version
> of DEFRAG, because a DOS based version will destroy Long File Names (and
> maybe other consequences?).
> I've searched the Knowledge Base for any kind of documentation, but came
up
> empty-handed. Anyone out there have any info./links I can look at
regarding
> this?
>
> TIA,
> --
> Curt--and NOT the MVP Curt Christianson (I wish!)
> W98 Support & Discussion:
> http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
> Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
> http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
> Windows Help & Discussion:
> http://forum.aumha.org/
>
>
>
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[Curt Christianson]

Hi Gary,
Thanks for the leads. I'll check them out. I scoured the KB, and found
nada. Funny thing is I *never* thought of using Google. Funny, because I
*always* go to Google first.
<looking rather sheepish right now>.
--
Curt--and NOT the MVP Curt Christianson (I wish!)
W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

"Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
...
> Here's a couple of references, courtesy of Google.
> http://www.computerhope.com/software/defrag.htm
> http://www.easydos.com/defrag.html
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP for Win9x
>
> "Curt Christianson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Good evening,
> > It's my understanding that W98 (prolly 95 too??) does not have a DOS
> version
> > of DEFRAG, because a DOS based version will destroy Long File Names
(and
> > maybe other consequences?).
> > I've searched the Knowledge Base for any kind of documentation, but
came
> up
> > empty-handed. Anyone out there have any info./links I can look at
> regarding
> > this?
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
> > Curt--and NOT the MVP Curt Christianson (I wish!)
> > W98 Support & Discussion:
> > http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
> > Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
> > http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
> > Windows Help & Discussion:
> > http://forum.aumha.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
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> > Version: 6.0.699 / Virus Database: 456 - Release Date: 6/5/04
> >
> >
>


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[Gary S. Terhune]

The MSKB ages out a lot of stuff over time. I wish it wasn't so, but it is.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Curt Christianson" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Gary,
> Thanks for the leads. I'll check them out. I scoured the KB, and found
> nada. Funny thing is I *never* thought of using Google. Funny, because
I
> *always* go to Google first.
> <looking rather sheepish right now>.
> --
> Curt--and NOT the MVP Curt Christianson (I wish!)
> W98 Support & Discussion:
> http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
> Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
> http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
> Windows Help & Discussion:
> http://forum.aumha.org/
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Here's a couple of references, courtesy of Google.
> > http://www.computerhope.com/software/defrag.htm
> > http://www.easydos.com/defrag.html
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP for Win9x
> >
> > "Curt Christianson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Good evening,
> > > It's my understanding that W98 (prolly 95 too??) does not have a DOS
> > version
> > > of DEFRAG, because a DOS based version will destroy Long File Names
> (and
> > > maybe other consequences?).
> > > I've searched the Knowledge Base for any kind of documentation, but
> came
> > up
> > > empty-handed. Anyone out there have any info./links I can look at
> > regarding
> > > this?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > --
> > > Curt--and NOT the MVP Curt Christianson (I wish!)
> > > W98 Support & Discussion:
> > > http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
> > > Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
> > > http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
> > > Windows Help & Discussion:
> > > http://forum.aumha.org/
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
>
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[Hugh Candlin]

Gary S. Terhune > wrote in message ...
> The MSKB ages out a lot of stuff over time. I wish it wasn't so, but it is.
>
Doesn't matter. Google sees all, eventually.

And retains it........

[Curt Christianson]

Hi Hugh,
<snip>
Google sees all, eventually.
<snip>
Isn't that the truth. For some reason I thought MSKB would have the
definitive answers on this subject--not so. Do a well thought out Google
search, and I had more hits than I knew what to do with.
Who woulda thunk...

--
Curt--and NOT the MVP Curt Christianson (I wish!)

W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

"Hugh Candlin" > wrote in message
...
>
> Gary S. Terhune > wrote in message
...
> > The MSKB ages out a lot of stuff over time. I wish it wasn't so, but it
is.
> >
> Doesn't matter. Google sees all, eventually.
>
> And retains it........
>
>


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[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:02:43 -0500, "Curt Christianson"

>Isn't that the truth. For some reason I thought MSKB would have the
>definitive answers on this subject--not so. Do a well thought out Google
>search, and I had more hits than I knew what to do with.
>Who woulda thunk...

I'm 99.999% COAB certain that pre-LFN defrag would be Very Bad for an
LFN-endowed OS, especially if it purges deleted entries and re-orders
directory entries (e.g. subdirs first) as IMO it should.

If defrag doesn't purge deleted dir entries, then it fails to fully
clean up the performance impact of long fragmented dir chains that are
bloated with since-deleted entries.

Several contexts arise where that happens ITW:
- MDM.EXE piollutes the Windows base dir with FFF... junk
- Temp and TIF; 'nuff said
- a virus that bloats root dir with stuff (can't recall the name)
- Symantec products that spawn wads of 0-byte .INF files
- other issues with SR in WinME



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[Curt Christianson]

Hi Chris,
YOUR site was one of those Google hits on the subject. Many thanks.

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W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
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Windows Help & Discussion:
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"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:02:43 -0500, "Curt Christianson"
>
> >Isn't that the truth. For some reason I thought MSKB would have the
> >definitive answers on this subject--not so. Do a well thought out Google
> >search, and I had more hits than I knew what to do with.
> >Who woulda thunk...
>
> I'm 99.999% COAB certain that pre-LFN defrag would be Very Bad for an
> LFN-endowed OS, especially if it purges deleted entries and re-orders
> directory entries (e.g. subdirs first) as IMO it should.
>
> If defrag doesn't purge deleted dir entries, then it fails to fully
> clean up the performance impact of long fragmented dir chains that are
> bloated with since-deleted entries.
>
> Several contexts arise where that happens ITW:
> - MDM.EXE piollutes the Windows base dir with FFF... junk
> - Temp and TIF; 'nuff said
> - a virus that bloats root dir with stuff (can't recall the name)
> - Symantec products that spawn wads of 0-byte .INF files
> - other issues with SR in WinME
>
>
>
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> No, perfection is not an entrance requirement.
> We'll settle for integrity and humility
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -


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